Received: from localhost ([::1]:33722 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bmahA-0007gL-2y; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:07:48 -0700 Received: from mail-yw0-f169.google.com ([209.85.161.169]:33622) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.86) (envelope-from ) id 1bmah4-0007fg-4f for llg-board@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:07:46 -0700 Received: by mail-yw0-f169.google.com with SMTP id i129so36693518ywb.0 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:07:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=GAr+gjEFDAin2UwmtPfON9L20SmhKDK+Emgh0c78ugw=; b=m9h4NWhIIkEmvgv82iyTJSA7iDEs+adBzPLhV7Ng5lvhuyHOdNXky/zjZzGHd0wOkQ Mj/Ub00MS7CbFaTRq7dyfFk8rfLim2hmMxEWDt8CGJxdpaxlsiytfoOJvg0pHYDgCU/5 QfXPkcJpNLjLDA/ZhOSA2U4BqNIKuJkkekva7Yba67OWgrTMmonyGb9JlSbLRauttdUy icr02itPZGOjz6U8KbX5Q/c+N6YVJjV0THwQITYkI/TUpETBZsBMcG9YWyTDOFAsUQXY NtKXzCQCVeMkRRNaV/MYgR0iPApnapaZaU4y2Y9sksW9ux3WIvD5CCMvsVEZU8iFafjd hNrw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=GAr+gjEFDAin2UwmtPfON9L20SmhKDK+Emgh0c78ugw=; b=buxeN+1CD6Tp7wOxyyY4GEr9l3E+DbTbqDNM93/hrlC32CSGbAv1d812WhpBrH6Pl1 7eW+wWdiVe1Q2MYwlm+Qas3mhTwHsNeIKo5cqhBMkYI6RKWmj3y2kqNEQaoo7ahuaecV qZacmuG6+bZ+pR/7sjzTMoKgDENBLsjxJ3Xze3EFBHJOSOS5sQ8fRLqMwErd02mtSwet aEN3ULlvLievBlpBdGh1umAZYEnj+DwP3wf2I60Hjhunr26+Cf7wZCVlkEI6McSkTDK/ Ap7JWXz7HDikqZkU5Im2aZtebwrcQ45FXp65oNcCz0OyRUdRa1GCxgQ50D1n/p0o9akt Z2Jg== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPQbk+UfZBWK6A0F1WsAXT5WSUjJhR3v/1Gf/o3zsSV6v/We3/qS/pybteKE5RNmikHhQwKNJhQtS2SSQ== X-Received: by 10.129.114.8 with SMTP id n8mr26947663ywc.332.1474438055865; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:07:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.176.7.70 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:07:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.176.7.70 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Sep 2016 23:07:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3A7CF559-04BB-4A88-858D-33332634413E@gmail.com> References: <78461A3E-B0CC-44D6-8DC1-C40FBB85E04B@gmail.com> <3A7CF559-04BB-4A88-858D-33332634413E@gmail.com> From: Curtis Franks Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2016 02:07:35 -0400 Message-ID: To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Planning the 2016 Annual Meeting X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1099399916646516388==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============1099399916646516388== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11473b5490337e053cfe5c71 --001a11473b5490337e053cfe5c71 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We should at least organize a battle plan of topics to be discussed, their order, and time windows for discussion. We can present the list early so that people can formulate ideas and arguments in advance. It would at least cut down on some of the drag. Extensions could be allowed if the conversation still seems active, in which case the time table would need to be updated. On Sep 20, 2016 22:37, "Karen Stein" wrote: > I have serious reservations about pre-meeting discussions as I stated > before. These are very likely to result in opinions already being formed > without input from everyone else who may want to contribute. We do span a > large number of time zones, after all. There are also people who are acti= ve > learners yet not as well versed our have as much accessibility to > applications/programs As others. Email may be the only option for them to > communicate and it is definitely not right to leave people out just for > this reason. > > karis > > On September 20, 2016 4:07:05 PM EDT, Riley Martinez-Lynch < > shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> coi jbopre >> >> I would like to start a discussion about how and when to hold the 2016 a= nnual meeting of the members. I=E2=80=99m bringing the question first to th= e board, since we=E2=80=99re empowered to take action on this question, but= would also be glad to bring it to the members list if the sense of the boa= rd is that we would benefit from wider discussion before taking action. >> >> Given the drawn-out nature of the last meeting, I am renewing my call to= change the way that we conduct the business of the meeting. I would like t= o suggest that we draw up the agenda for the meeting well in advance so tha= t people have a chance to debate any action items before the meeting starts= . >> >> If we do this, I am confident we can conduct the business of the meeting= in a few hours over IRC or Slack. I would like to see the meeting schedule= d in such a way to maximize convenience to the members. I think we should p= ropose several times and poll the membership to decide >> which time. >> >> If it turns out that the time chosen isn=E2=80=99t possible for any memb= er, I would be glad to personally follow up with that person to ensure that= they have a proxy to represent their positions. Since the meeting would be= focused on business rather than debate, what they would be proxying would = be mostly limited to formalities: The casting of votes on issues identified= in advance. >> >> If we start this conversation now, I expect we can arrive at an agenda b= y early November, which would allow us to both start and finish the meeting= in the appropriate calendar year. >> >> Please let me know your thoughts: >> >> 1. What do you think about front-loading the debate on the agenda and ex= ecuting business separately? >> 2. What days or times do you think might allow the most members to parti= cipate in a real time meeting? >> 3. What would you like to see on the agenda for the upcoming meeting? >> >> Thank you! >> >> =E2=80=94Riley no=E2=80=99u la mukti >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> llg-board mailing list >> llg-board@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >> >> > -- Karen Stein -- > > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > > --001a11473b5490337e053cfe5c71 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We should at least organize a battle plan of topics to be di= scussed, their order, and time windows for discussion. We can present the l= ist early so that people can formulate ideas and arguments in advance. It w= ould at least cut down on some of the drag. Extensions could be allowed if = the conversation still seems active, in which case the time table would nee= d to be updated.


On Sep 20, 2016 2= 2:37, "Karen Stein" <= comcaresvcs@gmail.com> wrote:
I have serious reservations about pre-meeting discuss= ions as I stated before. These are very likely to result in opinions alread= y being formed without input from everyone else who may want to contribute.= We do span a large number of time zones, after all. There are also people = who are active learners yet not as well versed our have as much accessibili= ty to applications/programs As others. Email may be the only option for the= m to communicate and it is definitely not right to leave people out just fo= r this reason.

karis

On September 20, 2016 4:07:05 PM ED= T, Riley Martinez-Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
coi jbopre

I would like to start a discussion about how and whe=
n to hold the 2016 annual meeting of the members. I=E2=80=99m bringing the =
question first to the board, since we=E2=80=99re empowered to take action o=
n this question, but would also be glad to bring it to the members list if =
the sense of the board is that we would benefit from wider discussion befor=
e taking action.

Given the drawn-out nature of the last meeting, I a=
m renewing my call to change the way that we conduct the business of the me=
eting. I would like to suggest that we draw up the agenda for the meeting w=
ell in advance so that people have a chance to debate any action items befo=
re the meeting starts.

If we do this, I am confident we can conduct =
the business of the meeting in a few hours over IRC or Slack. I would like =
to see the meeting scheduled in such a way to maximize convenience to the m=
embers. I think we should propose several times and poll the membership to =
decide
which time.

If it turns out that the time chosen isn=E2=80=99t possi=
ble for any member, I would be glad to personally follow up with that perso=
n to ensure that they have a proxy to represent their positions. Since the =
meeting would be focused on business rather than debate, what they would be=
 proxying would be mostly limited to formalities: The casting of votes on i=
ssues identified in advance.

If we start this conversation now, I ex=
pect we can arrive at an agenda by early November, which would allow us to =
both start and finish the meeting in the appropriate calendar year.

=
Please let me know your thoughts:

1. What do you think about front-l=
oading the debate on the agenda and executing business separately?
2. Wh=
at days or times do you think might allow the most members to participate i=
n a real time meeting?
3. What would you like to see on the agenda for t=
he upcoming meeting?

Thank you!

=E2=80=94Riley no=E2=80=99u l=
a mukti 







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