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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 2016-10-28 3:14 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier : > On 10/26/2016 10:18 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-09-27 9:52 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna > : >> >> >> >> 2016-09-21 9:36 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna > : >> >> >> >> 2016-09-20 23:07 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch >> >: >> >> >> >> >> 3. What would you like to see on the agenda for the upcoming >> meeting? >> >> >> What other prepared. I only can report the de facto status of >> issues and branches of lo jbokulnu. >> >> >> >> I found a topic to discuss. Earlier la guskant complained of >> personal research published on the wiki. Now I am able to deal with >> such research done by me. I'd like LLG to issue the following decree: >> >> 1. Allow authors to take their research off the wiki and allow them >> to replace corresponding wiki pages with very short info about their >> research possibly with links where the full version of their >> research can be found. A message should be placed on such wiki pages >> stating that the research is not official or instead the very text >> of the page should explicitly state that those are just >> proposals/research topics and not official part of the language, >> language community, Lojban-as-a-science etc. Allow authors to move >> pages under their personal space like user la ramcinfo >> does: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/User:Ramcinfo/scope_study >> >> 2. Assign people in charge who would mark pages of other authors >> (authors who e.g. no longer available) as non-official e.g. by >> placing messages stating that pages represent personal views of >> their authors. >> 3. Assign people to move discussions from Page to Talk namespace >> while Page would contain resume of discussions. This is usually >> relevant to pages imported from Tiki. >> >> >> 4. Who is charge of updating CLL? I suggest that LLG members must >> participate in updating [...] Content analysis details: (0.1 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (gleki.is.my.name[at]gmail.com) -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid 0.0 T_DKIM_INVALID DKIM-Signature header exists but is not valid 1.0 FREEMAIL_REPLY From and body contain different freemails 0.9 NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED ADSP custom_med hit, and not from a mailing list Subject: Re: [llg-board] Planning the 2016 Annual Meeting X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0292072329909693988==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============0292072329909693988== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11468e0a640f5d053fe720d3 --001a11468e0a640f5d053fe720d3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2016-10-28 3:14 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier : > On 10/26/2016 10:18 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > >> >> >> 2016-09-27 9:52 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna > >: >> >> >> >> 2016-09-21 9:36 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna > >: >> >> >> >> 2016-09-20 23:07 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch >> >: >> >> >> >> >> 3. What would you like to see on the agenda for the upcoming >> meeting? >> >> >> What other prepared. I only can report the de facto status of >> issues and branches of lo jbokulnu. >> >> >> >> I found a topic to discuss. Earlier la guskant complained of >> personal research published on the wiki. Now I am able to deal with >> such research done by me. I'd like LLG to issue the following decree: >> >> 1. Allow authors to take their research off the wiki and allow them >> to replace corresponding wiki pages with very short info about their >> research possibly with links where the full version of their >> research can be found. A message should be placed on such wiki pages >> stating that the research is not official or instead the very text >> of the page should explicitly state that those are just >> proposals/research topics and not official part of the language, >> language community, Lojban-as-a-science etc. Allow authors to move >> pages under their personal space like user la ramcinfo >> does: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/User:Ramcinfo/scope_study >> >> 2. Assign people in charge who would mark pages of other authors >> (authors who e.g. no longer available) as non-official e.g. by >> placing messages stating that pages represent personal views of >> their authors. >> 3. Assign people to move discussions from Page to Talk namespace >> while Page would contain resume of discussions. This is usually >> relevant to pages imported from Tiki. >> >> >> 4. Who is charge of updating CLL? I suggest that LLG members must >> participate in updating CLL. + There needs to be a procedure. >> > > byfy is supposed to be in charge of updating CLL to reflect any changes > that they approve for the language. Other than that, no one is in charge, > because there is no planned update other than in response to byfy actions. > De facto there is no work from byfy. on that. So I suggest discussing this lack of activity. Since everyone can join BPFK without any requirements but just speaking Lojban there is no wonder in that. LLG does almost nothing. If we oblige members of LLG to do something then we can get at least some activity in updating CLL (even if we lose some members due to that but the result is imo more important than having as many members as possible). > > > > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > --001a11468e0a640f5d053fe720d3 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2016-10-28 3:14 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 10/26/2016 10:18 AM, Gleki Arxo= kuna wrote:


2016-09-27 9:52 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com
<mailto:= gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>>:



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2016-09-21 9:36 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com<= /a>
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>>:=



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 2016-09-20 23:07 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <shunpiker@gmail.com <mailto:shunpiker@gmail.com>>:




=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 3. What would you like to see on = the agenda for the upcoming
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 meeting?


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 What other prepared. I only can report the de f= acto status of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 issues and branches of lo jbokulnu.



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I found a topic to discuss. Earlier la guskant complained of<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 personal research published on the wiki. Now I am able to dea= l with
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 such research done by me. I'd like LLG to issue the follo= wing decree:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 1. Allow authors to take their research off the wiki and allo= w them
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 to replace corresponding wiki pages with very short info abou= t their
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 research possibly with links where the full version of their<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 research can be found. A message should be placed on such wik= i pages
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 stating that the research is not official or instead the very= text
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 of the page should explicitly state that those are just
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 proposals/research topics and not official part of the langua= ge,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 language community, Lojban-as-a-science etc. Allow authors to= move
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 pages under their personal space like user la ramcinfo
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 does: https://mw.lojban.org/papri= /User:Ramcinfo/scope_study
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <https://mw.lojban.org/papri/U= ser:Ramcinfo/scope_study>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 2. Assign people in charge who would mark pages of other auth= ors
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (authors who e.g. no longer available) as non-official e.g. b= y
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 placing messages stating that pages represent personal views = of
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 their authors.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 3. Assign people to move discussions from Page to Talk namesp= ace
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 while Page would contain resume of discussions. This is usual= ly
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 relevant to pages imported from Tiki.


4. Who is charge of updating CLL? I suggest that LLG members must
participate in updating CLL. + There needs to be a procedure.

byfy is supposed to be in charge of updating CLL to reflect any changes tha= t they approve for the language.=C2=A0 Other than that, no one is in charge= , because there is no planned update other than in response to byfy actions= .

De facto there is no work from byfy. = on that. So I suggest discussing this lack of activity.
Since eve= ryone can join BPFK without any requirements but just speaking Lojban there= is no wonder in that.

LLG does almost nothing. If= we oblige members of LLG to do something then we can get at least some act= ivity in updating CLL (even if we lose some members due to that but the res= ult is imo more important than having as many members as possible).


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