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Content preview: Would not BPFK need to request were take over this job? karis On October 28, 2016 2:39:16 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >2016-10-28 3:14 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier : > >> On 10/26/2016 10:18 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> 2016-09-27 9:52 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna >> : >>> >>> >>> >>> 2016-09-21 9:36 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna >>> : >>> >>> >>> >>> 2016-09-20 23:07 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch >>> >: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> 3. What would you like to see on the agenda for the >upcoming >>> meeting? >>> >>> >>> What other prepared. I only can report the de facto status >of >>> issues and branches of lo jbokulnu. >>> >>> >>> >>> I found a topic to discuss. Earlier la guskant complained of >>> personal research published on the wiki. Now I am able to deal >with >>> such research done by me. I'd like LLG to issue the following >decree: >>> >>> 1. Allow authors to take their research off the wiki and allow >them >>> to replace corresponding wiki pages with very short info about >their >>> research possibly with links where the full version of their >>> research can be found. A message should be placed on such wiki >pages >>> stating that the research is not official or instead the very >text >>> of the page should explicitly state that those are just >>> proposals/research topics and not official part of the language, >>> language community, Lojban-as-a-science etc. Allow authors to >move >>> pages under their personal space like user la ramcinfo >>> does: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/User:Ramcinfo/scope_study >>> >>> 2. Assign people in charge who would mark pages of other authors >>> (authors who e.g. no longer available) as non-official e.g. by >>> placing messages stating that pages represent personal views of >>> their authors. >>> 3. 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What would you like to see on the agenda for the >upcoming >>> meeting? >>> >>> >>> What other prepared. I only can report the de facto status >of >>> issues and branches of lo jbokulnu. >>> >>> >>> >>> I found a topic to discuss. Earlier la guskant complained of >>> personal research published on the wiki. Now I am able to deal >with >>> such research done by me. I'd like LLG to issue the following >decree: >>> >>> 1. Allow authors to take their research off the wiki and allow >them >>> to replace corresponding wiki pages with very short info about >their >>> research possibly with links where the full version of their >>> research can be found. A message should be placed on such wiki >pages >>> stating that the research is not official or instead the very >text >>> of the page should explicitly state that those are just >>> proposals/research topics and not official part of the language, >>> language community, Lojban-as-a-science etc. Allow authors to >move >>> pages under their personal space like user la ramcinfo >>> does: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/User:Ramcinfo/scope_study >>> >>> 2. Assign people in charge who would mark pages of other authors >>> (authors who e.g. no longer available) as non-official e.g. by >>> placing messages stating that pages represent personal views of >>> their authors. >>> 3. Assign people to move discussions from Page to Talk namespace >>> while Page would contain resume of discussions. This is usually >>> relevant to pages imported from Tiki. >>> >>> >>> 4. Who is charge of updating CLL? I suggest that LLG members must >>> participate in updating CLL. + There needs to be a procedure. >>> >> >> byfy is supposed to be in charge of updating CLL to reflect any >changes >> that they approve for the language. Other than that, no one is in >charge, >> because there is no planned update other than in response to byfy >actions. >> > >De facto there is no work from byfy. on that. So I suggest discussing >this >lack of activity. >Since everyone can join BPFK without any requirements but just speaking >Lojban there is no wonder in that. > >LLG does almost nothing. If we oblige members of LLG to do something >then >we can get at least some activity in updating CLL (even if we lose some >members due to that but the result is imo more important than having as >many members as possible). > >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> llg-board mailing list >> llg-board@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >llg-board mailing list >llg-board@lojban.org >http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board ------C2AO2E86K58YR1WOTF4YDIVT8V79VS Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Would not BPFK need to request were take over this job?

karis

On October 28, 2016 2:39:16 AM EDT, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:


2016-10-28 3:14 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 10/26/2016 10:18 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:


2016-09-27 9:52 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com
<mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>>:



    2016-09-21 9:36 GMT+03:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com
     <mailto:gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>>:



        2016-09-20 23:07 GMT+03:00 Riley Martinez-Lynch
         <shunpiker@gmail.com <mailto:shunpiker@gmail.com>>:




            3. What would you like to see on the agenda for the upcoming
            meeting?


        What other prepared. I only can report the de facto status of
        issues and branches of lo jbokulnu.



    I found a topic to discuss. Earlier la guskant complained of
    personal research published on the wiki. Now I am able to deal with
    such research done by me. I'd like LLG to issue the following decree:

    1. Allow authors to take their research off the wiki and allow them
    to replace corresponding wiki pages with very short info about their
    research possibly with links where the full version of their
    research can be found. A message should be placed on such wiki pages
    stating that the research is not official or instead the very text
    of the page should explicitly state that those are just
    proposals/research topics and not official part of the language,
    language community, Lojban-as-a-science etc. Allow authors to move
    pages under their personal space like user la ramcinfo
    does: https://mw.lojban.org/papri/User:Ramcinfo/scope_study
    <https://mw.lojban.org/papri/User:Ramcinfo/scope_study>
    2. Assign people in charge who would mark pages of other authors
    (authors who e.g. no longer available) as non-official e.g. by
    placing messages stating that pages represent personal views of
    their authors.
    3. Assign people to move discussions from Page to Talk namespace
    while Page would contain resume of discussions. This is usually
    relevant to pages imported from Tiki.


4. Who is charge of updating CLL? I suggest that LLG members must
participate in updating CLL. + There needs to be a procedure.

byfy is supposed to be in charge of updating CLL to reflect any changes that they approve for the language.  Other than that, no one is in charge, because there is no planned update other than in response to byfy actions.

De facto there is no work from byfy. on that. So I suggest discussing this lack of activity.
Since everyone can join BPFK without any requirements but just speaking Lojban there is no wonder in that.

LLG does almost nothing. If we oblige members of LLG to do something then we can get at least some activity in updating CLL (even if we lose some members due to that but the result is imo more important than having as many members as possible).



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