Received: from localhost ([::1]:59870 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c08xS-00031m-8e; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:20:38 -0700 Received: from eastrmfepo103.cox.net ([68.230.241.215]:49851) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1c08xM-00030t-2b for llg-board@lojban.org; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 08:20:37 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo305.cox.net ([68.230.241.237]) by eastrmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.05.28 201-2260-151-171-20160122) with ESMTP id <20161028152026.ZGPJ22970.eastrmfepo103.cox.net@eastrmimpo305.cox.net> for ; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:20:26 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.102] ([72.209.244.98]) by eastrmimpo305.cox.net with cox id 13LR1u00C2869s8013LRgd; Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:20:25 -0400 X-CT-Class: Clean X-CT-Score: 0.00 X-CT-RefID: str=0001.0A020206.58136CB9.041B, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CT-Spam: 0 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=XK++SGRE c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:117 a=JFEMeGVUNR3hGa77igez4Q==:17 a=L9H7d07YOLsA:10 a=9cW_t1CCXrUA:10 a=s5jvgZ67dGcA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=6B2DymqLciIMy3ctUQ0A:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none To: llg-board@lojban.org References: <78461A3E-B0CC-44D6-8DC1-C40FBB85E04B@gmail.com> <0ug91u00Y56Cr6M01ugBeR> From: Bob LeChevalier Message-ID: Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2016 11:20:41 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0ug91u00Y56Cr6M01ugBeR> X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [llg-board] Planning the 2016 Annual Meeting X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org On 10/28/2016 2:39 AM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > 4. Who is charge of updating CLL? I suggest that LLG members must > participate in updating CLL. + There needs to be a procedure. > > > byfy is supposed to be in charge of updating CLL to reflect any > changes that they approve for the language. Other than that, no one > is in charge, because there is no planned update other than in > response to byfy actions. > > > De facto there is no work from byfy. on that. So I suggest discussing > this lack of activity. That is selpa'i's bailiwick, and we (the Board) aren't supposed to get involved, until/unless he reports a problem. > Since everyone can join BPFK without any requirements That is entirely up to selpa'i. > but just speaking Lojban there is no wonder in that. To participate in discussions you obviously have to be able to use the language, because otherwise you don't know what others are saying. > LLG does almost nothing. That is of course the issue that we have been discussing - what is it that LLG SHOULD be doing. > If we oblige members of LLG to do something They are obliged to participate in annual meetings. Nothing more. If we expect more, we might not have any members. > then we can get at least some activity in updating CLL (even if we lose > some members due to that but the result is imo more important than > having as many members as possible). Why is it so important right now, just after republishing? CLL was *just* republished after being updated, and it took Robin a good year or more. Updating is not a trivial thing. I know that there will need to be a mod put in for xorlo, and for dotside, but I don't think either is urgent, certainly not enough to violate our commitment to let byfy operate independently of us (above and beyond taking reports from the jatna, and annual reappointment). We've never had an language activity requirement for membership, and if we were to do so, I probably would need to be the first person to resign. lojbab _______________________________________________ llg-board mailing list llg-board@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board