Received: from localhost ([::1]:43576 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1dFlJc-0005ok-C2; Tue, 30 May 2017 10:52:20 -0700 Received: from mail-qk0-f173.google.com ([209.85.220.173]:36369) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1dFlJZ-0005oc-EO for llg-board@lojban.org; Tue, 30 May 2017 10:52:18 -0700 Received: by mail-qk0-f173.google.com with SMTP id u75so74700964qka.3 for ; Tue, 30 May 2017 10:52:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=wCwutOSL3JIwQGz7cEtiQ4+ImpQoghijPjuIMqW554w=; b=rfST8WKiEdg5LhmcC7hOMQfGl7tiT53L37kfN3ZZNyYGtwZdfaAF9Px5AuneoqKtL0 agKwpSje6TxQ9x8HMVLmdD8DEkkodegQc33Gfo88kLbHkK7HlWX1qUwK9hk5BkA0kNIs e/N1DEb2JozU3LLbT9qzOQYmp/v5OOHkDXcygbOD3KZSqePtmTeUMsQsNd7IG2M8Sqwu VlfwEQCBj9o2Oyw8UJFFdMQqQ9pKsCuKKvf1SyuHeG5NRmIoAND2hy/oLj9/zGiAP0mr FzVEIQ8xSPss7CEo8PiUsXzMz5aghfCAE+SOcc2ILmnO+jpVKTPPqy+IRrGOdqRzezI9 KCMQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=wCwutOSL3JIwQGz7cEtiQ4+ImpQoghijPjuIMqW554w=; b=HwGMCIFF1a8QJnHSzDh1CSlaqXjuNKHv4AOQDm3Kie0ES2NIS74NrBcuGbmNTd7uMc pYcMrpx9DTccHo/gowAsk1uhgkGMx8sz5cEK24PL3OodOjIPaac0m9NozQ09ObFoDsjB lVQnXBkSjy8cFUn1AywGs3Q/iH9V+zJXwF24rAtgr7/crJh9AjVeZ0boSoG+zExg6wlH ZQ3ZD2tYkswz0Y1znEtsFPkdA2Wl6Enjgi4mMspXS/Ul32D2reGZjTwpd2BFQwekssmO +9wvVejGxfkqjJVdqfgMncFbiRwWH64su9ky5RKZhsZ4GrvxjHObXyJ+lsuMHZ7iBr2+ JJ7w== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcD/EXL6UFIkr16lN1WVSgcj2+Ycy9u9cdRs3f5X21cxU9Nj0CE7 BeTdxO8JD5hm53QKO1l/CTvY5WEwjcyn X-Received: by 10.55.215.153 with SMTP id t25mr15434124qkt.6.1496166730675; Tue, 30 May 2017 10:52:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.32.131 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2017 10:51:30 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <36ff9618-c683-fe70-5ab3-ea82caea452a@lojban.org> References: <83e07e17-b1d0-5d7c-de9f-2eb47a6f12b2@lojban.org> <51d3fb4c-9e20-e5cb-aeed-e6057f5ff732@lojban.org> <36ff9618-c683-fe70-5ab3-ea82caea452a@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Tue, 30 May 2017 20:51:30 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.5 X-Spam_score_int: -14 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [llg-board] officer's election X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============4878910152667152140==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============4878910152667152140== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1149e7d081c08d0550c17671" --001a1149e7d081c08d0550c17671 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Let me revote. 1. I vote for Karen as President 2. I vote for Lojbab as VP 3. I vote for Lojbab as Virginia representative 4. I vote for la mukti as Seretary/Treasurer I highly urge Karen, Curtis and Ali to delve into bylaws a bit more since it looks like only Lojbab can hanle them out on the fly. But I guess more people need to be capable just as Lojbab is atm. 2017-05-30 20:47 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier : > On 5/29/2017 9:43 PM, Karen Stein wrote: > >> My understanding was that we were allowing for two vice presidents so I >> cast two votes for the position. >> > > The Bylaws only refer to one VP, and I really cannot imagine why two would > be needed, since in fact the VP has no legal duties except when the > President cannot do the job. > > In my message of Mon, 22 May 2017 16:26:25 -0400, I indicated this, and > that the Board cannot change the Bylaws - that takes a vote by the > membership which must have advance notice that a Bylaw change is proposed > in order to consider it at an annual (or other) meeting (not an easy thing > in the current situation). gleki indicated that he was only concerned > about their being sufficient backup for the President, and there are > numerous easier ways to accomplish this. > > No one really said if the vote would be >> for each separately, if lojbab would be an unofficial vice-President, or >> if the position would be shared by whoever relieved the top and second >> highest number of votes. >> > > The Bylaws do not provide for sharing of offices, and name only three > positions. We have to submit the names of the officers in our annual > report to the State. > > I indicated in my call for a vote on the motion that people should vote > for one of the two nominees. > > If I need to craft pine vote alone for the >> position it is for Curtis with the understanding that lojbab act in an >> unofficial capacity as he has offered >> > > I have no "unofficial capacity" and have offered nothing of that sort. I > said that I was willing to offer advice (if wanted), and I presume that the > Board will want me to continue as the Virginia representative. I can also > speak up as a director. But the officers of LLG have legal roles (which is > why we report them to the state) that are not delegated. The Board can > fairly quickly replace the officers if there is need. We did so once before > when I again became President after Matt's sudden resignation. > > For Secretary I vote for Ali, and for Treasurer I vote for Riley. >> > > They remain a single office according to the posted Bylaws (I thought that > there was discussion of a split, but apparently it never made it to a > vote). So again, please vote for only one. > > The S/T can choose to delegate some responsibilities if s/he wishes, just > as I delegated to you and Curtis the gathering of information last year. > > I had > >> not previously voted for either position. >> > > Actually, you did, though you can change your vote. I didn't quote that > vote in responding to your VP vote. > > You wrote: > >> I abstain on voting for President >> I vote for both lojbab and Curtis for vice President >> I vote for mukte for Secretary/Treasurer >> > > Please, let's keep it simple and everyone vote for only one person for > each office. > > lojbab > > > > > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > --001a1149e7d081c08d0550c17671 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Let me revote.

1. I vote for Karen as P= resident
2. I vote for Lojbab as VP
3. I vote for Lojba= b as Virginia representative
4. I vote for la mukti as Seretary/T= reasurer

I highly urge Karen, Curtis and Ali to de= lve into bylaws a bit more since it looks like only Lojbab can hanle them o= ut on the fly. But I guess more people need to be capable just as Lojbab is= atm.


2017-05-30 20:47 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban= .org>:
On = 5/29/2017 9:43 PM, Karen Stein wrote:
My understanding was that we were allowing for two vice presidents so I
cast two votes for the position.

 The Bylaws only refer to one VP, and I really cannot imagine why two would = be needed, since in fact the VP has no legal duties except when the Preside= nt cannot do the job.

In my message of Mon, 22 May 2017 16:26:25 -0400, I indicated this, and tha= t the Board cannot change the Bylaws - that takes a vote by the membership = which must have advance notice that a Bylaw change is proposed in order to = consider it at an annual (or other) meeting (not an easy thing in the curre= nt situation).=C2=A0 gleki indicated that he was only concerned about their= being sufficient backup for the President, and there are numerous easier w= ays to accomplish this.

No one really said if the vote would be
for each separately, if lojbab would be an unofficial vice-President, or if the position would be shared by whoever relieved the top and second
highest number of votes.

 The Bylaws do not provide for sharing of offices, and name only three posit= ions.=C2=A0 We have to submit the names of the officers in our annual repor= t to the State.

I indicated in my call for a vote on the motion that people should vote for= one of the two nominees.

If I need to craft pine vote alone for the
position it is for Curtis with the understanding that lojbab act in an
unofficial capacity as he has offered

 I have no "unofficial capacity" and have offered nothing of that = sort. I said that I was willing to offer advice (if wanted), and I presume = that the Board will want me to continue as the Virginia representative. I c= an also speak up as a director.=C2=A0 But the officers of LLG have legal ro= les (which is why we report them to the state) that are not delegated.=C2= =A0 The Board can fairly quickly replace the officers if there is need. We = did so once before when I again became President after Matt's sudden re= signation.

For Secretary I vote for Ali, and for Treasurer I vote for Riley.

 They remain a single office according to the posted Bylaws (I thought that = there was discussion of a split, but apparently it never made it to a vote)= .=C2=A0 So again, please vote for only one.

The S/T can choose to delegate some responsibilities if s/he wishes, just a= s I delegated to you and Curtis the gathering of information last year.

=C2=A0I had
not previously voted for either position.

Actually, you did, though you can change your vote.=C2=A0 I didn't quot= e that vote in responding to your VP vote.

You wrote:
I abstain on voting for President
I vote for both lojbab and Curtis for vice President
 I vote for mukte for Secretary/Treasurer

Please, let's keep it simple and everyone vote for only one person for = each office.

lojbab




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