Received: from localhost ([::1]:44904 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1dFmTM-0000xi-2l; Tue, 30 May 2017 12:06:28 -0700 Received: from mail-io0-f172.google.com ([209.85.223.172]:34723) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1dFmTJ-0000xZ-Jg for llg-board@lojban.org; Tue, 30 May 2017 12:06:27 -0700 Received: by mail-io0-f172.google.com with SMTP id k91so62408689ioi.1 for ; Tue, 30 May 2017 12:06:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=f/kMxL2OwdZwAHT2u8sTjoKzE52GPwAAVqs4lnn+iIo=; b=S2t5hTmzbKYRJnXWw7T9zXYYqf5TT2rUTotgeTnbEsrssReu8CYNNkujqfnZPm/kan ebn1ZJKYo0s1Kb/wRpYEiCZPpXxI5GshK37GBa09Fg+bngIIuhEHYU1JQX5RUb1xEDN5 u6t1XXgLOwC8Y6BOc1Zst4N1JVSXpUPJQ/OHeM5WT+0Vq5qfW13h2aIqTrTk9Dm2G7V9 knMqk6USzlJCGuejsAvJQi3Dtz7REbf9i4IspkCpgIvXTg7N4qMkRFF7x3yuWQdTqil/ XorwHhTlay7a1+MC3CYzdwX4GoW/iFiLVQEYXOzzLg0ml8K03a/DJj4hS77EZgpTQYx2 yb7g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=f/kMxL2OwdZwAHT2u8sTjoKzE52GPwAAVqs4lnn+iIo=; b=iN6drqhSlVdtbtTlN59oJLh/heWjaxsTBs5V5ljRFNvaVBxDoajisqKMVXz3ALuf9b K4mYyhjHxWhTMwIeHxVF1ZI5E77JvcFg5XWm+8gtrMb/IjqgII+cIQxZdr5q7t5cu9Bq Ir5xSHpcBPg3euEXOUUDPM2p1IX2A5NRpyrSYNWE2pv1il1foiQ+hI8QLDJQ5+ZvePbM DdPjEC+JI8gCoqnMm5x+v7Se7/UPjaO5/2c/MGqSiysl2PpB5bjh0zo4E17lDRhQaGzM +Lk/bPKtRhdE2TDM9MbdQRHPoFJimUG1+jUgtw7px05QHW82QGCWk5yLh3PpHPrbH0Sf NEcg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcC5Xjs1iSHJlniMZCoU3KkVeG9Mw/mMYVGgxDwikwiwCCwa9cxa TzB6u9PQy0Na9Gky6G3wWvVqD6boHw== X-Received: by 10.107.55.132 with SMTP id e126mr18792869ioa.133.1496171179000; Tue, 30 May 2017 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.5.78 with HTTP; Tue, 30 May 2017 12:06:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <83e07e17-b1d0-5d7c-de9f-2eb47a6f12b2@lojban.org> <51d3fb4c-9e20-e5cb-aeed-e6057f5ff732@lojban.org> <36ff9618-c683-fe70-5ab3-ea82caea452a@lojban.org> From: Ali Sajid Imami Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 00:06:18 +0500 Message-ID: To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) X-Spam_score: -3.3 X-Spam_score_int: -32 X-Spam_bar: --- Subject: Re: [llg-board] officer's election X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============2124760062290274472==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============2124760062290274472== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114ab7d6a5d3e60550c27f01" --001a114ab7d6a5d3e60550c27f01 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I will take a look at the bylaws later today. For president, I vote for Karen, For VP, I vote Lojbab For Virginia Rep, Lojbab And for la mukti for S/T although I'd also move for the split of the offices in the next general meeting. Regards, Dr. Ali Sajid Imami LinkedIn On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:51 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > Let me revote. > > 1. I vote for Karen as President > 2. I vote for Lojbab as VP > 3. I vote for Lojbab as Virginia representative > 4. I vote for la mukti as Seretary/Treasurer > > I highly urge Karen, Curtis and Ali to delve into bylaws a bit more since > it looks like only Lojbab can hanle them out on the fly. But I guess more > people need to be capable just as Lojbab is atm. > > > 2017-05-30 20:47 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier : > >> On 5/29/2017 9:43 PM, Karen Stein wrote: >> >>> My understanding was that we were allowing for two vice presidents so I >>> cast two votes for the position. >>> >> >> The Bylaws only refer to one VP, and I really cannot imagine why two >> would be needed, since in fact the VP has no legal duties except when the >> President cannot do the job. >> >> In my message of Mon, 22 May 2017 16:26:25 -0400, I indicated this, and >> that the Board cannot change the Bylaws - that takes a vote by the >> membership which must have advance notice that a Bylaw change is proposed >> in order to consider it at an annual (or other) meeting (not an easy thing >> in the current situation). gleki indicated that he was only concerned >> about their being sufficient backup for the President, and there are >> numerous easier ways to accomplish this. >> >> No one really said if the vote would be >>> for each separately, if lojbab would be an unofficial vice-President, or >>> if the position would be shared by whoever relieved the top and second >>> highest number of votes. >>> >> >> The Bylaws do not provide for sharing of offices, and name only three >> positions. We have to submit the names of the officers in our annual >> report to the State. >> >> I indicated in my call for a vote on the motion that people should vote >> for one of the two nominees. >> >> If I need to craft pine vote alone for the >>> position it is for Curtis with the understanding that lojbab act in an >>> unofficial capacity as he has offered >>> >> >> I have no "unofficial capacity" and have offered nothing of that sort. I >> said that I was willing to offer advice (if wanted), and I presume that the >> Board will want me to continue as the Virginia representative. I can also >> speak up as a director. But the officers of LLG have legal roles (which is >> why we report them to the state) that are not delegated. The Board can >> fairly quickly replace the officers if there is need. We did so once before >> when I again became President after Matt's sudden resignation. >> >> For Secretary I vote for Ali, and for Treasurer I vote for Riley. >>> >> >> They remain a single office according to the posted Bylaws (I thought >> that there was discussion of a split, but apparently it never made it to a >> vote). So again, please vote for only one. >> >> The S/T can choose to delegate some responsibilities if s/he wishes, just >> as I delegated to you and Curtis the gathering of information last year. >> >> I had >> >>> not previously voted for either position. >>> >> >> Actually, you did, though you can change your vote. I didn't quote that >> vote in responding to your VP vote. >> >> You wrote: >> >>> I abstain on voting for President >>> I vote for both lojbab and Curtis for vice President >>> I vote for mukte for Secretary/Treasurer >>> >> >> Please, let's keep it simple and everyone vote for only one person for >> each office. >> >> lojbab >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> llg-board mailing list >> llg-board@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >> > > > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > > --001a114ab7d6a5d3e60550c27f01 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I will take a look at the bylaws later today.

Fo= r president, I vote for Karen,
For VP, I vote Lojbab
For Vi= rginia Rep, Lojbab
And for la mukti for S/T although I'd also m= ove for the split of the offices in the next general meeting.

<= br>

Regards,
Dr. Ali Sajid Imami
=

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:51 PM, Gleki Arxo= kuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me revote.

= 1. I vote for Karen as President
2. I vote for Lojbab as VP
=
3. I vote for Lojbab as Virginia representative
4. I vote fo= r la mukti as Seretary/Treasurer

I highly urge Kar= en, Curtis and Ali to delve into bylaws a bit more since it looks like only= Lojbab can hanle them out on the fly. But I guess more people need to be c= apable just as Lojbab is atm.


2017-05-30 20:47 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org><= /span>:
On 5/29/2017 9:43 PM, Karen= Stein wrote:
My understanding was that we were allowing for two vice presidents so I
cast two votes for the position.

 The Bylaws only refer to one VP, and I really cannot imagine why two would = be needed, since in fact the VP has no legal duties except when the Preside= nt cannot do the job.

In my message of Mon, 22 May 2017 16:26:25 -0400, I indicated this, and tha= t the Board cannot change the Bylaws - that takes a vote by the membership = which must have advance notice that a Bylaw change is proposed in order to = consider it at an annual (or other) meeting (not an easy thing in the curre= nt situation).=C2=A0 gleki indicated that he was only concerned about their= being sufficient backup for the President, and there are numerous easier w= ays to accomplish this.

No one really said if the vote would be
for each separately, if lojbab would be an unofficial vice-President, or if the position would be shared by whoever relieved the top and second
highest number of votes.

 The Bylaws do not provide for sharing of offices, and name only three posit= ions.=C2=A0 We have to submit the names of the officers in our annual repor= t to the State.

I indicated in my call for a vote on the motion that people should vote for= one of the two nominees.

If I need to craft pine vote alone for the
position it is for Curtis with the understanding that lojbab act in an
unofficial capacity as he has offered

 I have no "unofficial capacity" and have offered nothing of that = sort. I said that I was willing to offer advice (if wanted), and I presume = that the Board will want me to continue as the Virginia representative. I c= an also speak up as a director.=C2=A0 But the officers of LLG have legal ro= les (which is why we report them to the state) that are not delegated.=C2= =A0 The Board can fairly quickly replace the officers if there is need. We = did so once before when I again became President after Matt's sudden re= signation.

For Secretary I vote for Ali, and for Treasurer I vote for Riley.

 They remain a single office according to the posted Bylaws (I thought that = there was discussion of a split, but apparently it never made it to a vote)= .=C2=A0 So again, please vote for only one.

The S/T can choose to delegate some responsibilities if s/he wishes, just a= s I delegated to you and Curtis the gathering of information last year.

=C2=A0I had
not previously voted for either position.

Actually, you did, though you can change your vote.=C2=A0 I didn't quot= e that vote in responding to your VP vote.

You wrote:
I abstain on voting for President
I vote for both lojbab and Curtis for vice President
 I vote for mukte for Secretary/Treasurer

Please, let's keep it simple and everyone vote for only one person for = each office.

lojbab




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