Received: from localhost ([::1]:54482 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1dFxw8-0000G5-Cy; Wed, 31 May 2017 00:20:56 -0700 Received: from mail-qk0-f172.google.com ([209.85.220.172]:36373) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.87) (envelope-from ) id 1dFxw6-0000Fw-0F for llg-board@lojban.org; Wed, 31 May 2017 00:20:55 -0700 Received: by mail-qk0-f172.google.com with SMTP id u75so5198357qka.3 for ; Wed, 31 May 2017 00:20:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=SjgvmVhSviy35vx1wpUDd8Y9qRlsD2QbuCTmMp+mEYo=; b=YRG88iJrfSzi0Mgf0ytN2REg0h8SAaDCPULmUNpY/fM2/j07zgXiUA9iHejJPhUDvR MGP3xY6PjIsnSw1FWmxhWTjmHAnrYNQ5G6Z0tGTm3h0ZhGbgpj6LxrEbTVCVRp92taHT m1w9SYynlLX9tAjhcQfhNUOQyHePTTN7dV7ZwNbCyvLVBiQPweri7d3jPI1Ofnmen8SJ Is/TXHc4fDGc23kjQWPB6dGJpv+e48YKTWv8mm+YN2t48ad9fUEWvNk8E/qZNIL1rKUl gXWlgJlhNF6VFPQ80Dbjrc4c4chhGF9B8+ifrPuUxyC7C7aXwnBVFrn+FiAJ30Oql40b oksA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=SjgvmVhSviy35vx1wpUDd8Y9qRlsD2QbuCTmMp+mEYo=; b=rxazLCW3Wn7szPjla6V+W2HSTkBCR3p+jsZYOzUJ7UXAviIZYYUCf1Sbf5wnKxXK7r j4cDdiZK6v54Kfnjqto+TZqNt3ppJEY7VxgS1Kj52bW4sdQA7yG7n5zSVagLzYkiGOdO qiWHuSbATEDkhPNR4t8T/36CmAgEKY2PJ9w0pIHXhzDsrO+4mR8EvLFLDf6HkXR/LzSX LOxIERPDgRHjP2vHRc/GyLSZSMrU7/qmXtmjwwg6+oAlGO6vE63x2E9RGPtWJxfAq1xD OxILCIDfyTtqSJLhtvYaWfkT2gAyM2hgcAT0YO3b0jpCkGNCktkcVCTmfe+2FPMNR0vZ Vhmg== X-Gm-Message-State: AODbwcAnvi6y0KJyW8sTwO4pJEc8h4tnBWFEhCt7uMEE7id4ZsWweQai uiZslUUjtxcM41XefGOnB46M6rK6Wg== X-Received: by 10.55.164.151 with SMTP id n145mr12316169qke.159.1496215247485; Wed, 31 May 2017 00:20:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.32.131 with HTTP; Wed, 31 May 2017 00:20:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <83e07e17-b1d0-5d7c-de9f-2eb47a6f12b2@lojban.org> <51d3fb4c-9e20-e5cb-aeed-e6057f5ff732@lojban.org> <36ff9618-c683-fe70-5ab3-ea82caea452a@lojban.org> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Wed, 31 May 2017 10:20:07 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-board@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -4.3 (----) X-Spam_score: -4.3 X-Spam_score_int: -42 X-Spam_bar: ---- Subject: Re: [llg-board] officer's election X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1783094781570208142==" Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org --===============1783094781570208142== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c075812558d370550ccc249" --94eb2c075812558d370550ccc249 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 2017-05-31 5:14 GMT+03:00 Riley Lynch : > I vote: > > Karen for president. > Lojbab for vice-president. > Myself for secretary-treasurer, with great appreciation to Ali for > offering to help with secretarial duties. Had I not fallen behind on > minutes, we'd know whether or not Secretary and Treasurer got split. > .i ui sei simlu se'u, there's something to discuss during the next meeting > > --Riley > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 30, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Ali Sajid Imami > wrote: > > I will take a look at the bylaws later today. > > For president, I vote for Karen, > For VP, I vote Lojbab > For Virginia Rep, Lojbab > And for la mukti for S/T although I'd also move for the split of the > offices in the next general meeting. > > > > Regards, > Dr. Ali Sajid Imami > LinkedIn > > On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:51 PM, Gleki Arxokuna < > gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Let me revote. >> >> 1. I vote for Karen as President >> 2. I vote for Lojbab as VP >> 3. I vote for Lojbab as Virginia representative >> 4. I vote for la mukti as Seretary/Treasurer >> >> I highly urge Karen, Curtis and Ali to delve into bylaws a bit more since >> it looks like only Lojbab can hanle them out on the fly. But I guess more >> people need to be capable just as Lojbab is atm. >> >> >> 2017-05-30 20:47 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier : >> >>> On 5/29/2017 9:43 PM, Karen Stein wrote: >>> >>>> My understanding was that we were allowing for two vice presidents so I >>>> cast two votes for the position. >>>> >>> >>> The Bylaws only refer to one VP, and I really cannot imagine why two >>> would be needed, since in fact the VP has no legal duties except when the >>> President cannot do the job. >>> >>> In my message of Mon, 22 May 2017 16:26:25 -0400, I indicated this, and >>> that the Board cannot change the Bylaws - that takes a vote by the >>> membership which must have advance notice that a Bylaw change is proposed >>> in order to consider it at an annual (or other) meeting (not an easy thing >>> in the current situation). gleki indicated that he was only concerned >>> about their being sufficient backup for the President, and there are >>> numerous easier ways to accomplish this. >>> >>> No one really said if the vote would be >>>> for each separately, if lojbab would be an unofficial vice-President, or >>>> if the position would be shared by whoever relieved the top and second >>>> highest number of votes. >>>> >>> >>> The Bylaws do not provide for sharing of offices, and name only three >>> positions. We have to submit the names of the officers in our annual >>> report to the State. >>> >>> I indicated in my call for a vote on the motion that people should vote >>> for one of the two nominees. >>> >>> If I need to craft pine vote alone for the >>>> position it is for Curtis with the understanding that lojbab act in an >>>> unofficial capacity as he has offered >>>> >>> >>> I have no "unofficial capacity" and have offered nothing of that sort. I >>> said that I was willing to offer advice (if wanted), and I presume that the >>> Board will want me to continue as the Virginia representative. I can also >>> speak up as a director. But the officers of LLG have legal roles (which is >>> why we report them to the state) that are not delegated. The Board can >>> fairly quickly replace the officers if there is need. We did so once before >>> when I again became President after Matt's sudden resignation. >>> >>> For Secretary I vote for Ali, and for Treasurer I vote for Riley. >>>> >>> >>> They remain a single office according to the posted Bylaws (I thought >>> that there was discussion of a split, but apparently it never made it to a >>> vote). So again, please vote for only one. >>> >>> The S/T can choose to delegate some responsibilities if s/he wishes, >>> just as I delegated to you and Curtis the gathering of information last >>> year. >>> >>> I had >>> >>>> not previously voted for either position. >>>> >>> >>> Actually, you did, though you can change your vote. I didn't quote that >>> vote in responding to your VP vote. >>> >>> You wrote: >>> >>>> I abstain on voting for President >>>> I vote for both lojbab and Curtis for vice President >>>> I vote for mukte for Secretary/Treasurer >>>> >>> >>> Please, let's keep it simple and everyone vote for only one person for >>> each office. >>> >>> lojbab >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> llg-board mailing list >>> llg-board@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> llg-board mailing list >> llg-board@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board >> >> > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > > > _______________________________________________ > llg-board mailing list > llg-board@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board > > --94eb2c075812558d370550ccc249 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2017-05-31 5:14 GMT+03:00 Riley Lynch <shunpiker@gmail.com>:
I vote:

Karen for president.=C2=A0
Lojbab for vice-president= .
Myself for secre= tary-treasurer, with great appreciation to Ali for offering to help with se= cretarial duties. Had I not fallen behind on minutes, we'd know whether= or not Secretary and Treasurer got split.
.i ui sei simlu se'u, there's something to discuss duri= ng the next meeting
=C2=A0

--Riley

Sent from my iPhone
<= div>

On May 30, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Ali Sajid Imami= <ali.saj= id.imami@gmail.com> wrote:

I= will take a look at the bylaws later today.

For president, I vote f= or Karen,
For VP= , I vote Lojbab
= For Virginia Rep, Lojbab
And for la mukti for S/T although I'd also move for the split = of the offices in the next general meeting.



Regards,
Dr. Ali Sajid Imami

On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 10:51 PM, Gleki Arxo= kuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
Let me revote.

= 1. I vote for Karen as President
2. I vote for Lojbab as VP
=
3. I vote for Lojbab as Virginia representative
4. I vote fo= r la mukti as Seretary/Treasurer

I highly urge Kar= en, Curtis and Ali to delve into bylaws a bit more since it looks like only= Lojbab can hanle them out on the fly. But I guess more people need to be c= apable just as Lojbab is atm.


2017-05-30 20:47 GMT+03:00 = Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 5/29/2017 9:43 PM, Karen Stein wrote:
My understanding was that we were allowing for two vice presidents so I
cast two votes for the position.

 The Bylaws only refer to one VP, and I really cannot imagine why two would = be needed, since in fact the VP has no legal duties except when the Preside= nt cannot do the job.

In my message of Mon, 22 May 2017 16:26:25 -0400, I indicated this, and tha= t the Board cannot change the Bylaws - that takes a vote by the membership = which must have advance notice that a Bylaw change is proposed in order to = consider it at an annual (or other) meeting (not an easy thing in the curre= nt situation).=C2=A0 gleki indicated that he was only concerned about their= being sufficient backup for the President, and there are numerous easier w= ays to accomplish this.

No one really said if the vote would be
for each separately, if lojbab would be an unofficial vice-President, or if the position would be shared by whoever relieved the top and second
highest number of votes.

 The Bylaws do not provide for sharing of offices, and name only three posit= ions.=C2=A0 We have to submit the names of the officers in our annual repor= t to the State.

I indicated in my call for a vote on the motion that people should vote for= one of the two nominees.

If I need to craft pine vote alone for the
position it is for Curtis with the understanding that lojbab act in an
unofficial capacity as he has offered

 I have no "unofficial capacity" and have offered nothing of that = sort. I said that I was willing to offer advice (if wanted), and I presume = that the Board will want me to continue as the Virginia representative. I c= an also speak up as a director.=C2=A0 But the officers of LLG have legal ro= les (which is why we report them to the state) that are not delegated.=C2= =A0 The Board can fairly quickly replace the officers if there is need. We = did so once before when I again became President after Matt's sudden re= signation.

For Secretary I vote for Ali, and for Treasurer I vote for Riley.

 They remain a single office according to the posted Bylaws (I thought that = there was discussion of a split, but apparently it never made it to a vote)= .=C2=A0 So again, please vote for only one.

The S/T can choose to delegate some responsibilities if s/he wishes, just a= s I delegated to you and Curtis the gathering of information last year.

=C2=A0I had
not previously voted for either position.

Actually, you did, though you can change your vote.=C2=A0 I didn't quot= e that vote in responding to your VP vote.

You wrote:
I abstain on voting for President
I vote for both lojbab and Curtis for vice President
 I vote for mukte for Secretary/Treasurer

Please, let's keep it simple and everyone vote for only one person for = each office.

lojbab




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