Return-path: Envelope-to: llg-board-archive@lojban.org Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 21:19:37 -0700 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48274 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1mPzuz-00F5kd-6l; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 21:19:37 -0700 Received: from mail-pj1-f48.google.com ([209.85.216.48]:36716) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS1.3) tls TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from ) id 1mPzuw-00F5gv-Bm; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 21:19:36 -0700 Received: by mail-pj1-f48.google.com with SMTP id u13-20020a17090abb0db0290177e1d9b3f7so1135584pjr.1; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 21:19:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=yLJDcbxVGH3xhyQcjfz+KRVl1ZDBg1QBKGV3fl1EK5U=; b=iHLMJMeV9TA3dh99MKyA6cV34sXBi/V6UhZ7cvk0Driim/sf73grFykeGABh6RzlwD RsuNVVgaD3TpXAqF+WpPhPEOLO7WCV0Ow9MqE2iwixMJtTEt6X7aEQTfxMm3pTdVHDFT E/8FB2Ub8OhgFaq6l/gby1M6y9jtuEfXnO+dvkVnQ7EC/x0+HV7VYxPlxibPyfFNljSu 3uq6KM4C01m019SbiK2s+5IqAXtqKAzhdQBBGep84uLsZo/cLnkouTI3pqO/18pyBbeu xhn/TrnHShrZlFF0GtWdnUlIAOY8WWFUtYRE1Irplywy8ketphzVX8cvJUtRsKbw03I9 28FQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=yLJDcbxVGH3xhyQcjfz+KRVl1ZDBg1QBKGV3fl1EK5U=; b=AUbQPcLYB0hR9FmW7NfHsFGm3sr1Z9wz2ufKpqGlvOhZv+hbfcr+FtxKfby+tkINq9 vZs3LHX4GsN2GGCCWbGqLi58DfsFxD4gXCG6PwTR/pdstGxAOr9tyQvRVh/H2M683NaD jCuOvrcputHiWEa+iH69nPK71RlblG9waa47coY83A0GieNDCk6x6P5+mkNE9QVsz8XT ggzzVLTfkL9dBXX0raZq7GCmPihtfJRE/ILZ8qxLawYiiBotxTSwsnIMgpmFbJZzo0aQ DB4Pf4tEmEY8SVGQzj0isthH9wp4jORwd38SE2xlSuPKZzLAaNtyiu1SK9M3DRAUOLL5 s04g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM53201j4hX4DLCOsDmPX9s9/1YZOUwDsd4HHbQalaqe6ExYSmcTlQ 2HO+QWv5GYetSyeLpzsf0jQ942SQJZEX X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzusWS6i4hDHSCGK+IE1YlDUx5uqyr9dEn3eQOkrR1FP7GHOK057W2ZSPbMXNKjabTQNFdv2A== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:514e:: with SMTP id k14mr3348770pjm.154.1631593172786; Mon, 13 Sep 2021 21:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com (mail.digitalkingdom.org. [173.13.139.236]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a10sm8494793pfo.75.2021.09.13.21.19.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 13 Sep 2021 21:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 13 Sep 2021 21:19:30 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: llg-board@lojban.org, llg-members@lojban.org, lojban@lojban.org, president@lojban.org, vp@lojban.org, secretary@lojban.org, treasurer@lojban.org, la gleki , lojban@googlegroups.com Message-ID: <20210914041930.GF2313647@gmail.com> References: <20210914014449.GE2313647@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20210914014449.GE2313647@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [llg-board] Should I just shut mailman off? (lojban.org infra question) X-BeenThere: llg-board@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.34 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Errors-To: llg-board-bounces@lojban.org [This didn't get sent to llg-board@lojban.org and llg-members@lojban.org last time, so re-sending, sorry.] I'm working very hard right now to stop being a bus-factor=1 Lojban sysadmin (in case that makes no sense: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_factor#Definition ). I have been *very* actively working on updating and containerizing all the lojban.org infrastructure, with the end goal of making a series of videos that would let anyone with a master password manage any of the Lojban infrastructure I run, even in the event of my house exploding. A thing that is taking a surprising amount of effort is mailman, which is the mailing list management software I run for y'all. This is used for the following lists: Kabal Lojban-fr llg-board Llg-members Lojban-de Lojban-es Lojban-fr Note that this does *not* include the two major public lists, https://groups.google.com/g/bpfk-list and https://groups.google.com/g/lojban The only ones that have had any significant traffic in a long time are llg-board and llg-members. None have received any traffic of consequence since 2019, and it looks like the board and members stuff is now happening on mattermost. It would be *significantly* easier for me to just turn the whole thing off, leaving read-only archives. Having said that, I *do* have new mailman infrastructure working, so I could leave it running. What do people think the right move is here? _______________________________________________ llg-board mailing list llg-board@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-board