From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Thu Dec 22 11:31:19 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:31:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EpW9j-0005zV-IF for llg-board@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:31:17 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so583003nze for ; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:31:14 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=QtamJO3rry874zd4Aaf6b+xUrvGFWAOhOkS4ZqEgJqtXNd6tLvxlkBHe2b02Y63xZ3HInAf0yIuJ5m4kuqlGAY42p3RY681aREJjLPwEc9ads+4KTzPseQ32NDcCr40pXCf2+bkkKbO4nNc+Oen60KqZ5/J4azb1U0IKnK6nd1g= Received: by 10.65.137.4 with SMTP id p4mr440012qbn; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:31:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.20 with HTTP; Thu, 22 Dec 2005 11:31:13 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2005 14:31:13 -0500 From: Matt Arnold To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Election of officers concluded In-Reply-To: <20051222190805.GA14718@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051219070640.GB3514@ccil.org> <20051222182458.GE9783@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20051222190805.GA14718@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 29 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board On 12/22/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 01:47:54PM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: > > On 12/22/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > > On Thu, Dec 22, 2005 at 11:43:19AM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: > > > > On 12/19/05, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 19 Dec 2005, John Cowan wrote: > > > > > > > > > I need a lot more information. What would be done with the > > > > money? > > > > > > Either things the membership org wanted done with it, or things > > > the LLG would have done anyways. Things like publishing books. > > > > > > We discussed this on IRC at one point, but you kind of > > > disappeared while I was talking, so I'm not sure how much you > > > saw. > > > > > > > I didn't see any of it. It's been almost the busiest month of my > > life; fortunately that's over as of this evening. As a consequence > > I only was able to be on IRC that day long enough to ask the > > question of what this rumored informal organization idea was all > > about. I'd like to continue the discussion through e-mail. > > And yet you showed up in IRC to discuss it, and then left in the > middle of my answering again. Please don't do that, it's rude. > > Here's where we were: > > 22.12.05 11:03 Eppcott: you only seem to have one goal, to improve > the LLG for its work. That can be accomplished by saying "this is > not an enthusiast's organization, it's a business organization." > > 22.12.05 11:04 Eppcott: if you have no reason to do something, why > do it? > > 22.12.05 11:04 Eppcott: got to go > > The answer to your question is: because there's an obvious desire on > the part of the community for an enthusiast's organization and in > the absence of one being defined, people seem to want to join the > LLG for that purpose. I thought I had said that already. Not sure > how to make it any clearer. > > If we just says "The LLG is not an enthusiast's organization", > people will ignore it, as I ignored Bob when he said that before I > had had a chance to do the business work myself. > > -Robin > I apologize for my rudeness. I am at work and my time is at my employer's leisure at a moment's notice. You seem to expect me to communicate on IRC, because you hold conversations there which you say concern me, instead of bringing them to me on e-mail. I understand this; it's fine. But if I enter the IRC (out of the desire to have a chance to participate in the discussion that is taking place only there), I will frequently vanish at any moment to extinguish some emergency and fulfill my responsibities to the source of my income. I'm sorry, if that's rude then IRC is not a communications channel I can use without being rude. -epkat