From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Mon Dec 26 14:38:10 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:38:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Er0yk-0005xh-5L for llg-board@lojban.org; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:38:08 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 69so996325wra for ; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:38:04 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=hGxsNZsUSccgVA3CQ9bFpb9sIwIuzfGTW/Pk0GBnerh4QAj3LD61gTNyuUMPaCh1w3rxPl29mdihjqwbHmp0vtqB2LrCxsAeIui3nVeBr23JEqxVaSO0qES8I2CW/rYUz2lFZOGa2/SyU3XOzM7Z9S3cOOwEdvN72kiOtIKMHLI= Received: by 10.65.155.11 with SMTP id h11mr1600609qbo; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:38:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.105.20 with HTTP; Mon, 26 Dec 2005 14:38:04 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2005 17:38:04 -0500 From: Matt Arnold To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Two organizations In-Reply-To: <20051226195753.GB5289@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051219070640.GB3514@ccil.org> <43AB97DF.8030703@lojban.org> <20051226195753.GB5289@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 36 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Thanks. This proposal, and a large amount of work on the beginnings of the specifics, can be found at http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=xartum Do I need to put forward a motion about this? -epkat On 12/26/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:45:44AM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: > > The members have to have something to do. Every group has to have > > something they are coming together for. No group is just a mutual > > interest; if it were, we already have that group, called the > > Lojban community. A social organization only exists when those > > with a mutual interest come together for a mutual activity. I know > > from personal experience, when no activities exist under the aegis > > of a group, the group is de-facto nonexistent. > > Erm. > > While that's an interesting thesis, the large membership of the LLG > would seem to disagree with you. > > On the other hand, most of the members don't *do* anything, so maybe > not. :-) The LLG has lots and lots and lots and lots of activities its members are assigned to do, for the purposes of advancing the language. That most of them often do not, does not change this fact. > > > The activity can't just be speaking Lojban to each other. You > > don't need to pay a membership fee to do that. We already have > > lists and IRC and phone groups for that. Paying for your name to > > be on a specious "membership" list would not give them more access > > to that than they had before. > > Some people (myself included) really like that sort of thing. By > calling it "specious" you're effectively saying that all those > people are idiots, which you might want to reconsider. They are not idiots, and it is still pointless as far as I can tell. Strike the word specious if you like; but the entire point of my statement remains unchanged. A list in and of itself is just a list, At most, if it is a list of signatories to a statement, it is a movement. But only a set of intended activities makes it an organization. > > The way it works is, a resident of Lojbanistan (or whatever its > > name becomes) > > Not that, I sincerely hope. :-) I don't like that name either. I have several nice alternatives to propose; in the process of the game itself, of course. > Sounds like a good background for the MOO, actually. I'm going to > try to do some more work on that today. I would love for this to be incorporated into an online live text-adventure game. I've read about MOO on Wikipedia, but I'm not sure yet if I would be capable of playing it. Do the users have to know the MOO programming language? Do they need to use Telnet? -epkat