From arj@nvg.org Sun Jan 01 16:37:28 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:37:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EtDhU-0003iT-26 for llg-board@lojban.org; Sun, 01 Jan 2006 16:37:26 -0800 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id B66899478E for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:36:57 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 01:35:39 +0100 (CET) From: Arnt Richard Johansen X-X-Sender: arj@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Two organizations In-Reply-To: <20051226195753.GB5289@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Message-ID: References: <20051219070640.GB3514@ccil.org> <43AB97DF.8030703@lojban.org> <20051226195753.GB5289@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 38 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board On Mon, 26 Dec 2005, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:45:44AM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: > >> Well, I came up with an idea that I think is pretty good. What is >> associated with language? Nations. People who learn a new language >> usually do so in order to visit or live or work in another nation. >> I propose an imaginary Lojban-speaking nation, and we'll offer >> "citizenship." I'll design some beautiful faux immigration >> paperwork, a passport, a naturalization certificate and >> everything. It achieves the goal of seeming official, while >> simultaneously not interfering with business aspect of the LLG. It >> taps into the mystique while requiring no prerequisite >> qualifications at all. > > Sounds like a lot of fun to me. Go for it. Yes, that does sound like a lot of fun, and I think Matt & anyone else should go for it. However, it is my opinion that it should NOT be adopted by the LLG as an official project. This is because we are likely to alienate those who are interested in Loglan for serious purposes, because they can be expected to think that anything that smacks of micronationalism is silly, and that Lojban is primarily a toy for use in shared fiction. So I move that xartum is to be removed from the list of official projects, and continued as independently of the LLG as possible. -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ The problem is, witchcraft is not fantasy; it is a sinful reality in our world. --christiananswers.net