From arj@nvg.org Mon Jan 02 09:30:50 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:30:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EtTW8-0004Xa-O8 for llg-board@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:30:48 -0800 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id D092094781 for ; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:30:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 18:29:10 +0100 (CET) From: Arnt Richard Johansen X-X-Sender: arj@hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Two organizations In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <20051219070640.GB3514@ccil.org> <43AB97DF.8030703@lojban.org> <20051226195753.GB5289@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20060102042644.GJ4087@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-archive-position: 47 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board On Mon, 2 Jan 2006, Matt Arnold wrote: >> I was thinking about something along the lines of UAE ( >> http://www.uea.org/info/angle/an_kio.html ). [...] > > That link is very informative. I have been asking for a few weeks > "what is the informal organization?" To put the exact same thing in > another way, "what would it _do_?" There came no answer, only shrugs. > To those I spoke to, it was intended to exist for no other reason than > to be a decoy away from the LLG. So I came up with something -- > anything -- for the informal organization to do, and that was xartum. > The only reason that I intended to organize Lojban enthusiasts as a > roleplaying micronation was for the lack of a proposed alternative. I understand your frustration. I and others have been too fuzzy in explaining what it is that we want to do. I also like your attitude -- if more people just went ahead and did things instead of waiting for other peoples' input, the Lojban community would be much more dynamic. > This page about the UEA lists activities and goals. Up until the > phrase "For 51 years", almost every sentence on the page describes > something to _do._ The UEA is not just names on a list. I would > support an organization similar to that for Lojban. > > As a model to work from, I have copied and pasted the text below, and > re-written it to apply to Lojban. (Let's change the name later.) Thanks! I like the statute draft a lot. I do think they ought to be in Lojban, though. > Esperanto is a "movement" with "activists" and I doubt Lojban will > ever be that. I would definitely describe people who promote Lojban on SF conventions as "activists". :-) -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ There will always be a new day tomorrow mother says that God is watching me he takes away the pain and the sorrow if only I believe. -- The Monroes: All Those Years Ago