From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Mon Jan 02 09:54:54 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:54:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EtTtT-0004fh-Gx for llg-board@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:54:53 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id x3so2522939nzd for ; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:54:49 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=rm6og7lDJGR8BSnGcy1k1/+AQIeG7grjDOzloxKcN8/KugwXp88EJHfGYv3QIsdsYledaoj1MhL8iRP3PDPbSa3A0N5A0DI1edWCqPKwbOsb2ePw80njlz3KNhUGUuUvaHIvEGCfw65C/1JBsazVFLKg4DlZv3MRLTPc3XBvEfU= Received: by 10.65.105.9 with SMTP id h9mr242825qbm; Mon, 02 Jan 2006 09:54:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.110.14 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:54:49 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2006 12:54:49 -0500 From: Matt Arnold To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Two organizations In-Reply-To: <20060102174253.GM29659@miranda.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20051219070640.GB3514@ccil.org> <43AB97DF.8030703@lojban.org> <20051226195753.GB5289@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20060102174253.GM29659@miranda.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 50 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board On 1/2/06, Jay F Kominek wrote: > On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 12:49:16AM -0500, Matt Arnold wrote: > > Similarly, how much good is Lojban for serious experimentation if it > > isn't released into the wild and allowed to live? > > That depends on the sort of experiment. If releasing Lojban into the > wild means everybody speaks their own broken version of the language, > then it loses most of its value to me as a means of human-computer > interaction. > > In fact, if it turns into a natlang, I would suggest that most of the > value is lost for most everyone. We already know where to find natlangs. > > -- > Jay Kominek > I could not disagree more. First, the LLG is in charge of defining the canonical language. Whatever it says Lojban is, it is. In human-computer interaction, computers will only recognize the LLG's version. A hundred broken human-to-human versions do not change that. Second, the natural drift of a highly specified language is one of things that made Lojban an interesting prospect for linguistic testing. -epkat