From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Wed May 03 08:26:38 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Wed, 03 May 2006 08:26:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.236]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FbJFI-0001UQ-6h for llg-board@lojban.org; Wed, 03 May 2006 08:26:36 -0700 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 70so155393wra for ; Wed, 03 May 2006 08:26:30 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lCBPqNdk+UBxWy+IziG7H1xadGUb1/lnISxHYje7m5WFwMJF4tTIixc+n1XRI6eazmWX0sOzcykt43eEtONNL1ygRntGKtQFYWGoF7jCU7dnd5dKOfMG+4/QMisv47nVfwUYLBknMfTSj6YOws4vWhTLkxUajg1V87EdSNNPWGw= Received: by 10.65.240.7 with SMTP id s7mr1164703qbr; Wed, 03 May 2006 08:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.232.8 with HTTP; Wed, 3 May 2006 08:26:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 11:26:29 -0400 From: "Matt Arnold" To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: PLEASE READ: Re: Re: Archivist: PD docs... Which, exactly? In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060424172644.GK2842@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <4457AF02.6040805@lojban.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 101 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Have you considered a Creative Commons license? For non-software, it's more applicable than a GPL. I publish everything I do under CC. There are a variety of Creative Commons licenses that allow creators to choose whether to permit commercial uses, and whether to permit modification of the work. Everything produced by LLG and jbovlaste, or any other future interactive system used for education such as jboselkei, ought to be free for everyone to read, copy and distribute, whether it's official yet or not. Of course we don't have power to enforce this on third-party activities such as jboselkei, but it ought to be the position of the LLG that this is what we advocate for Lojban educational materials. -epkat On 5/3/06, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > Attention, board members! We are now voting on Bob's proposal on whether > to update the wording of > http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/public_domain.txt . > > On Tue, 2 May 2006, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > > Robin Lee Powell wrote: > >> To which documents, exactly, does > >> http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/public_domain.txt > >> apply? > >> [...] > > > > Here is the resolution that was passed at the 1991 annual meeting > >> [...] > >> 2) The following are non-exhaustive lists of materials in each group: > >> Group A: JL and LK issues from 5 on; draft textbook lessons; > >> word lists; language definition materials; ancillary materials. > >> Group B: obsolete JL issues; the (as yet unwritten) textbook; > >> the (as yet unwritten) dictionary. > >> Group C: Logflash for PC and Mac; LLG Lojban Parser (in beta release); > >> lujvo-maker; random sentence generator. > >> > >> 3) LLG will provide all materials in Group A for electronic distribution > >> free of charge. All materials, except word lists and other language > >> definition materials, will be copyrighted using a copyright notice > >> essentially similar to the one attached to this draft policy. > >> [...] > > > > We never say what constitutes "language definition materials", though it > > was discussed in the annual meeting, but at the very least they include > > > > all OFFICIAL word lists - gismu and cmavo and rafsi > > (I am not all of the lists on the tiki list are "official", and I'm not > > sure we can speak for the authors. I presume Jorge did the Spanish list > > for example, and it was never adopted as official and I'm not even sure > > anyone did an independent check. As author he would have to release it > > either to us or to the public domain). > > Ah. That clears up a lot of things. The actual problem Robin is trying to > solve, is whether or not he is in the wrong to say that everything that > currently is in Jbovlaste is PD. > > As I see it, the following parts *are* PD: > > - Imports from gismu.txt (by virtue of being official) > - Imports from cmavo.txt (by virtue of being official) > - User contributions (by virtue of having accepted the Jbovlaste PD > clause) > > And the following are somewhat of a grey zone: > > - Import from NORALUJV.txt (it is not baselined, but is it official?) > > Do I understand it correctly that the intent of this board decision was > that *all* LLG publications, including software, should either be covered > by the General Licence, or be in the public domain? > > > Whatever is done, the public domain announcement actually on the website > > should be made current. We shouldn't have a grebyn.com or digex email > > address, or to the Planned Languages Server anywhere on the website in > > any materials someone might think of as current rather than archival. > > > If necessary, I move a change to the policy to make it current, > > delegating to the Secretary to actually produce and update the text, > > clarifying as appropriate, and submitting the result to a formal vote > > only because something this fundamental should have a formal vote. > > I am of the opinion that these changes are just minor updates, but of > course, if one board member calls for a vote, we will have a vote. > > > (assuming we have a Board meeting in progress with a quorum - so far as > > I recall, we never convened one after somewhat irregularly electing a > > new President). > > It is the view of the President that the Board meeting is in session > continuously, as per John Cowan's mail on Mon, 19 Dec 2005 02:06:40 -0500. > Of course, I will make sure that everyone has chimed in on the matter, as > per article 4, section 7. > > -- > Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ > XP kjennes ... sprengt. > Som om noe har eksplodert der. > > >