From lojbab@lojban.org Tue May 02 12:12:28 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Tue, 02 May 2006 12:12:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao03.cox.net ([68.230.240.36]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1Fb0IJ-0001Dj-Qu for llg-board@lojban.org; Tue, 02 May 2006 12:12:26 -0700 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (really [24.250.99.39]) by eastrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060502191221.IVQA15797.eastrmmtao03.cox.net@[127.0.0.1]> for ; Tue, 2 May 2006 15:12:21 -0400 Message-ID: <4457AF02.6040805@lojban.org> Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:12:02 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Archivist: PD docs... Which, exactly? References: <20060424172644.GK2842@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20060424172644.GK2842@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 99 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Robin Lee Powell wrote: > To which documents, exactly, does > http://www.lojban.org/publications/wordlists/public_domain.txt > apply? > > I believe it's most or all of those in > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=Lojban+Wordlists&highlight=public%20domain > but I'm not certain. > > Oddly enough, I don't see the answer in the meeting minutes either, > but I haven't look very hard. Sorry so slow on the reply. You won't find it in the meeting minutes unless you look real hard, and a long time back. And even then the resolution wasn't especially specific. Here is the resolution that was passed at the 1991 annual meeting > Logical Languages Group Electronic Distribution of Materials Policy > Approved 23 June 1991 > > Copyright, 1991, by the Logical Language Group, Inc. 2904 Beau Lane, > Fairfax VA 22031-1303 USA Phone (703) 385-0273 > > All rights reserved. Permission to copy granted subject to your > verification that this is the latest version of this document, that your > distribution be for the promotion of Lojban, that there is no charge for > the product, and that this copyright notice is included intact in the > copy. > > 1) LLG publications and materials are hereby divided into three groups: > > Group A materials consist of text, and are sold at or near cost. > Group B materials consist of text, and are sold above cost. > Group C materials consist of computer software, and are sold above cost. > > This division is independent of the division into Level 0-3 materials, > which depends not on cost but on the presumed interest level of the > reader. > > 2) The following are non-exhaustive lists of materials in each group: > Group A: JL and LK issues from 5 on; draft textbook lessons; > word lists; language definition materials; ancillary materials. > Group B: obsolete JL issues; the (as yet unwritten) textbook; > the (as yet unwritten) dictionary. > Group C: Logflash for PC and Mac; LLG Lojban Parser (in beta release); > lujvo-maker; random sentence generator. > > 3) LLG will provide all materials in Group A for electronic distribution > free of charge. All materials, except word lists and other language > definition materials, will be copyrighted using a copyright notice > essentially similar to the one attached to this draft policy. > > 4) To assure the integrity of electronically distributed LLG materials, > every document distributed electronically will bear a message digest > value computed using the MD4 algorithm, source code for which is > publicly available. > > 5) LLG will make available, free of charge, a list of the message digest > values for all materials released in electronic distribution. LLG will > also provide, free of charge, a program to compute message digest values > with the purchase of Group C materials, subject to technical > limitations. > > 6) LLG intends to use the Planned Languages Server as the primary > distribution medium on the Internet. Other distribution media on the > same or other networks may be established at LLG's discretion. > > 7) Materials in Group B and Group C will not be distributed > electronically. Group C materials in object form will be distributed on > diskette and whatever other media are technically available to LLG > (currently, none). > > 8) Source code to Group C software will be made available on diskette or > other media to persons who sign a non-disclosure agreement with LLG, at > a cost equal to the cost of the Group C software in object form. > > 9) This policy becomes effective when ratified by LLG's official bodies. > It may be altered at any time by LLG. We never say what constitutes "language definition materials", though it was discussed in the annual meeting, but at the very least they include all OFFICIAL word lists - gismu and cmavo and rafsi (I am not all of the lists on the tiki list are "official", and I'm not sure we can speak for the authors. I presume Jorge did the Spanish list for example, and it was never adopted as official and I'm not even sure anyone did an independent check. As author he would have to release it either to us or to the public domain). the official YACC grammar and EBNF - which I think are the versions in CLL. the minilesson (because it was so addressed in the annual meeting) most stuff, including the draft dictionary, the draft textbook versions, the draft CLL HTML version, etc are in the Group A materials which are basically under a copyleft. Completed books, such as the final CLL, are Group B, which is why the production PDF file/Word documents are not on the web site. The status of Nick's books was never made clear. Here is the section of the minutes from the 1991 annual meeting that apply: > New Business: > > Adoption of an Electronic Distribution Policy: > > Proposed electronic distribution policy read. > > Discussion/suggestions: > > What is a "dictionary"? Why in class B? > > Consider amending policy in 6 months? > > Distribute on-line, but also print (and charge for printed copies). > The electronic community is the most active community. Until we have > at least 2000 people, we need to draw in more; each added person is > potential money for hard-copy. > > Experience of Free Software Foundation may not be transferable > because of the differences in type of product. > > What category is the mini-lesson? (Result - Public domain). > > MOVED: To adopt the electronic distribution policy as presented, > with the amendment of item 3 to "All materials except ... and other > language definition materials...". - PASSED. Whatever is done, the public domain announcement actually on the website should be made current. We shouldn't have a grebyn.com or digex email address, or to the Planned Languages Server anywhere on the website in any materials someone might think of as current rather than archival. If necessary, I move a change to the policy to make it current, delegating to the Secretary to actually produce and update the text, clarifying as appropriate, and submitting the result to a formal vote only because something this fundamental should have a formal vote. (assuming we have a Board meeting in progress with a quorum - so far as I recall, we never convened one after somewhat irregularly electing a new President). lojbab