From lojbab@lojban.org Mon Sep 18 13:35:37 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from centrmmtao02.cox.net ([70.168.83.82]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GPPpx-0007AR-ED for llg-board@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 13:35:34 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by centrmmtao02.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.01 201-2131-130-101-20060113) with ESMTP id <20060918203527.WZLU22014.centrmmtao02.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:35:27 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Pwb41V00J3y5FKc0000000 Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:35:06 -0400 Message-ID: <450F030A.3090603@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 16:35:22 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Lojban blog References: <20060918165438.GU27480@miranda.org> <20060918185800.GC4610@chain.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 169 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board > Ignore the aesthetic and technical questions if they don't interest > you, but I'm asking for official LLG support for the idea of a blog on > the homepage. I'll take this as meeting my suggestion. Upon conclusion of the officer election period, I move the "official" status of a Lojban project to create and maintain a homepage blog, with Matt as project leader, and to additionally charge this project with coordinating with Jay to revive or incorporate the moribund monthly announcement and/or JL publication projects using material from this effort. > Option #1. Take out the Outreach Clauses in Article Two, Section One, > so that it will no longer be this organization's job. Which it > currently is. "Purpose. The Logical Language Group, Inc. is > established to ... to communicate with and to educate interested > persons and organizations about these activities; to devise and > develop means and instruments needed for these activities..." #1 is a > perfectly valid choice. In that event I will make another organization > that fills the outreach need, and in so doing supply the fresh > workforce necessary to fulfill all the other purposes of the LLG. Supplying workforce to get projects done is in fact the one challenge that LLG as an organization has not mastered. There is no shortage of ideas, but followthrough is where we sometimes lack. > Option #2. On matters of aesthetics, presentation, and content not > pertaining to official language design, designate me to speak for this > organization when it comes to making your publicity and outreach > decisions for you. I don't think that any person except the President or his designee on a particular matter should "speak for the organization". It is the Secretary's job to issue official communications from the organization. It is the Board's responsibility to make the day-to-day decisions, and anyone who doesn't want that responsibility should resign from the Board. I think we should be avoiding placing anyone in the role of sole designee and decision-maker for any major function of the organization, except where the Bylaws make it appropriate by imbuing an office with said responsibility. >It's a job that no one wants, I think it is a job several might want, but most don't have the time. > Robin and several others think I'm good at it, You are enthusiastic, and that is something good in outreach. But I don't think we need to vest the job in one person. Let everyone undertake the projects that they want to take (and officially abandon the projects that they no longer want to take) > Option #3. I suppose you could do the outreach yourself, if you wish. > But I'd personally rather you continue to focus your efforts on > Wikipedia and the language design aspects of the mandate. Good job on > the arguing against the Loj Wikipedia being deleted, by the way. Jay has contributed a lot over the years, and deserves our appreciation, but he did solely take on a lot of major projects including the jbovlaste, Wikipedia, the monthly announcements and JL projects, and probably some more that I've forgotten. I don't want to criticize anyone who has volunteered and put in the kinds of hours he has. I think he took on more tasks than he could do justice to, and I would prefer that others not also take on sole responsibility for more or bigger tasks than they can demonstrably do over a long period. You have Logfests and the blog and the podcasts and your local group. Don't bite off more until you have all those running smoothly. > Option #4. Don't complain. Unless you change the bylaws, don't > complain if I try to fulfill our organization's mandate, I think he was complaining that you even felt it necessary to get the Board's approval to do something. He would perhaps rather that people just do it, leaving the decision-making about what to do with the web page to Robin. However, Robin has shown increasing desire with time to get out of the business of deciding the nitty-gritty of content, as evidenced by the fact that damn near everything on the site is editable by users without his involvement. lojbab