From jkominek@miranda.org Mon Sep 18 14:50:31 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miranda.org ([216.93.242.2]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1GPR0V-0008QL-7u for llg-board@lojban.org; Mon, 18 Sep 2006 14:50:30 -0700 Received: (qmail 8964 invoked by uid 534); 18 Sep 2006 15:50:25 -0600 Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2006 15:50:25 -0600 From: Jay F Kominek To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Lojban blog Message-ID: <20060918215025.GW27480@miranda.org> References: <20060918165438.GU27480@miranda.org> <20060918185800.GC4610@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 171 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 04:06:29PM -0400, Matt Arnold wrote: > Ignore the aesthetic and technical questions if they don't interest > you, but I'm asking for official LLG support for the idea of a blog on > the homepage. You're a board member, so as far as I'm concerned, if you can get Robin to go along with making something official, great. > In response to your email I have thought out a few options for you, > and I am bringing up the following list to the organization in my > official capacity as an LLG member and a Board member. Oooo, options. Based on their length and breadth, you've clearly read far too much into my brief email. > Option #2. On matters of aesthetics, presentation, and content not > pertaining to official language design, designate me to speak for this > organization when it comes to making your publicity and outreach > decisions for you. The web page is a Wiki. All you need is the authority to unlock the part you want, and the knowledge necessary to effect the changes you desire. Robin has the authority, if not the knowledge. The board doesn't possess the knowledge; perhaps the members do. Almost certainly the main list will scrape it together for you. > Option #4. Don't complain. Unless you change the bylaws, don't > complain if I try to fulfill our organization's mandate, and unless > you delegate to me the ability to unilaterally mess around with the > Lojban project's public image, don't complain if I ask you and involve > you in your job before I just do it. #4 is also a valid choice. The board gave Robin the authority to be the webmaster. If he delegates that authority, I'll quite possibly be the last person to complain. Robin wrote: > The question of "is it possible?" is arguably one for the webmaster, > but the webmaster is a delegation of the duties of the Secretary, > who is on the board. The webmaster, as far as I see it, has responsibility and authority for not only the technical matters regarding the site, but also the content. You have the authority to rearrange and present new content on the web site as you see fit until you're relieved of your position as the Secretary. If you feel Matt is better suited to decide on and present content for the web site, you can give him as much power to do so as you see fit. If you don't feel that you have authority to manipulate the content as you see fit, or you don't feel empowered to delegate that authority, well that is a matter of the board. One that I think we could all see fit to correct promptly. > Furthermore, bringing a hard technical problem, as this is, to a > wide group of people seems like a smart thing to do. Which is part of why I suggested that the main list was even more appropriate. And because more people will provide more asthetic opinions to work from. Bob wrote: > I mostly agree with you Robin, and indeed I point out that the > revolution against me was largely because I wasn't going to the > Board and community for decisions but making them by myself. Bah. I can't speak for others, but I was distressed by your apparent *lack* of decisions, and the board's failure to replace you. > If Matt saw the decision as being something affecting the community > rather than his own personal interest in the language, then indeed > the Board is who is supposed to be the first responders. The board has delegated its authority in a number of matters to specific individuals, who might further delegate. These people at the bottom of the authority tree are the first responders. To suggest that the board must be the first to deal with every issue is backwards. > I have no problem with the name inheritance, but I want Jay's > opinion, and ideally to have the various projects merged by > agreement (I suggest that you take a look at other outstanding > projects on the projects page, and see if other synergies can lead > to more focused efforts). Matt can have whatever newsletter/announcement projects and names he likes. More power to him. > > Option #4. Don't complain. Unless you change the bylaws, don't > > complain if I try to fulfill our organization's mandate, > I think he was complaining that you even felt it necessary to get the > Board's approval to do something. Quite. > However, Robin has shown increasing desire with time to get out of the > business of deciding the nitty-gritty of content, as evidenced by the > fact that damn near everything on the site is editable by users without > his involvement. Which is well and good. As I suggest and mention above, Robin can delegate his authority to Matt and whoever else on this, and as many other web-related matters as he sees fit. -- Jay Kominek