From lojbab@lojban.org Sat Oct 28 02:09:16 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from centrmmtao03.cox.net ([70.168.83.81]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GdkBg-0005rh-Pb for llg-board@lojban.org; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 02:09:13 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by centrmmtao03.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.06.03 201-2131-130-104-20060516) with ESMTP id <20061028090909.BQVV23438.centrmmtao03.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:09:09 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([72.192.234.183]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id fl8N1V00C3y5FKc0000000 Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:08:25 -0400 Message-ID: <45431DB2.9000104@lojban.org> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:06:58 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Motion to officially recognize new art References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 198 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Matt Arnold wrote: > Consider the following: > The advent of what may be the biggest in-person meeting of enthusiasts > in its fifty-year history. Just as a historical correction, we have had as many as 28 attendees at LogFest before, and were regularly getting 18-20. Coupling it with the annual meeting served as a significant draw for serious Lojbanists as well as the curious. In addition, we started publicizing Logfest much earlier each year. But the new gathering is the first to have a significant amount of preplanned activities. Logfest in the past was more of a "relaxicon" with no internal schedule, except for the annual meeting. > With the above milestones I personally believe that Lojban is crossing > a self-reinforcing publicity threshhold. It may in fact be doing so, though I think it will probably be next year that does the trick. Having one *successful* LogFest in the new setting (I can't call last year's a success) will lead others to make their plans early for next year (at least one of our members, John Hodges, has to put in for his vacation in January, and back in the day, we tended to use that as our deadline for picking the day of Logfest each year). Having an event that people can work their annual calendars around, will again be a big deal for us. The real "draw" will be if and when the Philcon people play us up a little in the program, and/or we get some meaningful advertising at the con. We have a couple thousand potential Lojbanists who are *already there*, some without a lot to do. Will they hear about us in order to check us out, or do we just have to hope to be seen. We need not just an icon, but > a logotype (a logo into which we can fit the name and tagline of our > brand) or it doesn't communicate much to a new viewer. Now is the > crucial moment in which it's about to become important but since it > hasn't yet we don't stand as much to lose. I have no problem with using your proposed logotype alongside the existing one, pending some sort of community vote. (For real competition, someone needs to do a treatment like yours on a Necker cube theme - because Lojban is mind-bending - that having been the prime competitor to the coordinate axes theme that won %^). I like your reasoning, which has an aura of being professionally sound, but I admit that companies I've been associated with have been through logo changes before, and without fail the "new, more modern" logos that have been adopted have generally tended to be turn-offs for me personally. I think that the things that you say make good logos probably will tend to do so for me, but I've never been one to let personal aesthetics get in the way of getting the job done (which is probably why Lojban made it this far - I have no faith in my personal aesthetics, and I've never seen any reason to ask others to have such faith) lojbab