From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Fri Nov 10 11:43:37 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:43:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.236]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GicHi-0007Aw-Vo for llg-board@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:43:35 -0800 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id i3so139152wra for ; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:43:27 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=T4tAaHsT0ynZ1XX7iVHlzn9vLRz3drFFKiA6ognAYPtYD0owI/xkY0LE3Rfe3QhxN1avlTx4cM4d3TdrFsNtPORFE7kEU+5sq3Yu28C/Yp0PYqw8yDR5+MdmZmanPBSGI1/octG0hsQuRRZ+SWnbO8U1WClrmrnvUAR6+4wfrs8= Received: by 10.78.127.3 with SMTP id z3mr2955440huc.1163187801715; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:43:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.144.3 with HTTP; Fri, 10 Nov 2006 11:43:21 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:43:21 -0500 From: "Matt Arnold" To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: LLG meeting during Logfest (Re: Re: LCS Board of Directors (fwd)) In-Reply-To: <20061110192305.GH17734@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4554A4BA.4000907@lojban.org> <20061110174122.GH23121@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20061110181023.GD17734@chain.digitalkingdom.org> <20061110192305.GH17734@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 264 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board > ("Geez, sorry. My bad." sounds sarcastic; I know you well enough to > know it isn't, but I wanted to point that out to the rest of the > board) I was totally sincere because I dropped the ball, and also because I totally forgot Roberts' Rules of Order and didn't consult the bylaws. I felt bad about it; why wouldn't I? Wouldn't a reader have to be actively hostile to think it was sarcasm? What possible construction could exist in my mind in which I didn't feel bad about my obvious screwup? > There's actually a bigger issue than "can we have one?" which is > "why bother?". Ironically, we've just seen an illustration of why it's important to talk face-to-face rather than email. The LLG needs to know each other. They need to say "here we are not just as con attendees, being the LLG." They need to see each other's facial expressions, hear each other's tone of voice, and say hello to the LLG for the first time ever. If there are any issues we can possibly dredge up to talk about face-to-face, we should do so for legitimacy alone. We should do so in order to avoid the impression that we only exist on the internet. We don't even need to vote on anything. It may seem odd to you that I suggest that we have a meeting and I don't care if we vote on anything. But I offer this as the PR image consultant. I'm talking about the visibility of the leadership acting as leadership, visible to Lojban enthusiasts and the world. > I want to speak to this point a bit more. It is common for people > new to the Lojban community to think of the LLG as having something > to do with *community*. It doesn't, really; it's a business > organization, and secondarily a language specification organization, > and a community organization maybe a distant third. Then let's have a town hall meeting. A closing ceremony. The inaugural meeting of lo rolnai lojbo bo nelci jikca (RLNJ). Whatever you want to call it. Let's get lots of remote people there using Skype if we can get the tech to work. Let's get the community pulse, give everybody a timed period to stand up to the lectern and say something (preferably a prepared statement in Lojban to ensure brevity). Let's have our founders, architects, and LLG members "presiding" to make people feel good about it. Let's close jbonunsla by selecting the person who spoke the most Lojban at jbonunsla to ring the closing gong or snuff a candle or something. This is showmanship. The meeting is scheduled at the end of the convention in order to condense all the topics that will be broached in the discussion and get a sense of what the Lojban project as a whole has accomplished, at jbonunsla this year, and in wrap-up of 2006. Jbonunsla is the global convention of our project. It's our family reunion. While it doesn't absolutely have to have the feel of an official global congress (the one at Penguicon certainly wasn't aimed for that, for instance), we have an opportunity to do that with this many officials present. A meeting gives it that sense of importance, progress, and forward movement that we can show to our members and the world. -Eppcott