From saizai@gmail.com Sun Nov 12 09:45:45 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:47:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com ([64.233.182.188]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1GjJOl-00031u-Ep for llg-board@lojban.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:45:43 -0800 Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c31so739582nfb for ; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:45:37 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=jD2XYguckveRjIcGZII1iKgQD0Xk/eIVraCLwVZX82T9Su9FzEtuwZlN/12pbajJhAXlcz0UdeYUQazZUtQGGN5vOpJspCo59otAQPSBnyBxJCxZwJRLO+yzE5M+JbMMSryhpFR9plzU192AnWzR5dhKZj3urFvIsqeYUZxFY94= Received: by 10.78.18.12 with SMTP id 12mr5196759hur.1163353537056; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:45:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.78.105.17 with HTTP; Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:45:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <646661980611120945i482e7daaw4db98b911a62d3ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2006 09:45:36 -0800 From: "Sai Emrys" To: "Matt Arnold" Subject: [llg-board] Re: LCS Board of Directors (fwd) Cc: llg-board@lojban.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <646661980611101335s254dfde3se564ee83a761383b@mail.gmail.com> X-Google-Sender-Auth: 331313477bf4cde1 X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 271 X-Approved-By: arj@nvg.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sai@saizai.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board On 11/12/06, Matt Arnold wrote: > Sai, I'm told that you have been pressing the issue of official > representation of the LLG in your organization. I'd like you to consider the idea. Obviously, I am not in a position to 'press' it as I have no status within the LLG, nor desire any. > Toward what end do you want that? I would like the new organization - tenatively named the (International?) Language Creation Society - to be an umbrella organization representing all of conlanging. The LLG represents a significant portion of the community. Thus, both would gain from having an official relationship. > What would be the responsibilities and the priviledges of LLG toward LCS and vice-versa? I believe that should be settled formally between the Boards of Directors once the LCS is fully started. However, I would conceive of it as a mostly independent but cooperative relationship. E.g., we can share advertising resources, share funds where it contributes to both our primary goals, possibly cooperate on conferences and the like, etc. Possibly we could also share membership (one- or both ways). This is aside from having official LLG representation on the LCS board. I would be strongly opposed to the LCS becoming directly involved in language-specific issues (e.g. LLG's baselining decisions and the like). I see it acting exclusively in a meta role - representing both the act of conlanging itself primarily, and all of conlanging-the-community secondarily. The LLG fits the latter quite clearly, and the former partially. It can also fit the former more directly by e.g. helping with research into, rather than advocacy of, the Lojban language. - Sai P.S. The draft of the ILCS Articles of Incorporation states in part: TWO: This corporation is a nonprofit public benefit corporation and is not organized for the private gain of any person. It is organized under the Nonprofit Public Benefit Corporation Law for charitable purposes. The specific purposes for which this corporation is organized are: PRIMARILY: * the promotion and furthering of the art, craft, and science of language creation (conlanging) through conferences, books, journals, outreach activities, or other means * to run an annual Language Creation Conference, which will discuss and promote academic, artistic, linguistic, sociological, and applied perspectives on conlanging; increase the status of the field, and encourage and provide a forum for original research * to bring together all varieties of conlanging without bias, tie together the communities, and act as a primary resource for people outside the community (e.g. teachers, students, press, novelists, movie writers, etc) SECONDARILY: * the promotion and furthering of all language communities that use created languages (conlangs) * providing a public resource for access to good conlangers, akin to a writer's guild * other activities related to language creation or created languages.