From cowan@ccil.org Wed Dec 12 21:13:53 2007 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:13:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from earth.ccil.org ([192.190.237.11]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1J2gOH-0003AE-4k for llg-board@lojban.org; Wed, 12 Dec 2007 21:13:51 -0800 Received: from cowan by earth.ccil.org with local (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1J2gOE-0002n2-Gi for llg-board@lojban.org; Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:13:42 -0500 Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 00:13:42 -0500 To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Official: Election of officers Message-ID: <20071213051342.GE6275@mercury.ccil.org> References: <20071212195559.GA4608@nvg.org> <47604276.5000705@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.13 (2006-08-11) From: John Cowan X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 348 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: cowan@ccil.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Matt Arnold scripsit: > I'm sure I probably could look up the bylaws, and up through 2006 I > undoubtedly would have. I am just contemptuous of bylaws, and am > sublimely indifferent to Robert's Rules of Order. We don't actually use ROR, but another code. They're mostly a useful device for making sure everyone doesn't talk at once, only one subject is discussed at a time, and there aren't too many possible variants being considered simultaneously. Essentially all their machinery can be, and routinely is, dispensed with. Nor need obstruction be tolerated -- ROR specifically says that fractious and dilatory motions, abuse of the process, is not permitted. The trouble is that most chairs are far too ignorant and/or wishy-washy. > I regard Boards of Directors of volunteer incorporations the way I now > regard Polyamory. I've tried both structures, and I've heard of a lot > of examples of them working, but haven't _seen_ it happen yet. (Sidebar: What counts as _seeing_? I'm 49, and I've been in a successful polyamorous relationship for about 15 years now. At least we all think it's a success.) > Lead, follow, or get out of the way. The organization seriously needs a sail. There are plenty of anchors already. So far all would-be sails have gotten a bit torn in the process, but that doesn't mean you will. Lots of luck, seriously. -- Normally I can handle panic attacks on my own; John Cowan but panic is, at the moment, a way of life. http://www.ccil.org/~cowan