From arj@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Mar 02 04:28:58 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JVnJC-0003GX-2O for llg-board@lojban.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 04:28:57 -0800 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.68]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47679947C1 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:28:36 +0100 (CET) Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id m22CSZN9015701 for ; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:28:35 +0100 Received: (from arj@localhost) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id m22CSZFS015700 for llg-board@lojban.org; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:28:35 +0100 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 13:28:35 +0100 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Lojban mailing list Message-ID: <20080302122835.GB27740@nvg.org> References: <200803012103.41741.jim@lojban.dabell.name> <20080302070023.GS24043@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080302070023.GS24043@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 363 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 11:00:23PM -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sat, Mar 01, 2008 at 09:03:41PM +0000, Jim Dabell wrote: > > > > Hi, just a quick request; I used to be subscribed to a Lojban > > mailing list but unsubscribed due to being swamped with spam. > > There's two problems here: firstly, the email address of anybody > > posting is exposed in the archives (meaning spam harvesters grab > > your email address), > [...] > > The former is a real problem because it doesn't go away once you > > unsubscribe, but they are both pretty annoying. > > > > Is there any chance you could take a look at this? Most mailing > > list software has options for obfuscation and subscriber-only > > posting, so I doubt it will be any trouble. > > I've historically been resistant to changing this option, because I > *like* people being able to send private mail on the basis of old > mailing list threads, if the opportunity arises. Furthermore, it's > been my experience that if you can't handle the spam that being on > lojban-list generates for you, you need a better spam system > *anyways*. A couple of years ago I would have found this a *shockingly* rude position. People are protective of their e-mail addresses; exposing them to the public, not just accidentally, but _in willful defiance of explicit requests_ is like putting a sewage tube into someone's living-room window. Nowadays, spammers have so many different tricks to distribute their shit that I doubt that hiding one's e-mail address matters much. -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ Clientside scripting has its place. Its place happens to be somewhere in the lower circles of Hell, but it has it. --heard on IRC