From jim@lojban.dabell.name Sun Mar 02 10:20:46 2008 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.foraynewmedia.com ([69.55.237.146]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1JVsnd-0004HX-Ot for llg-board@lojban.org; Sun, 02 Mar 2008 10:20:45 -0800 Received: by mail.foraynewmedia.com (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 772AA68BCE; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:20:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.3 (2007-08-08) on mail.foraynewmedia.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.4 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED autolearn=failed version=3.2.3 Received: from [192.168.0.200] (82-46-196-40.cable.ubr01.sutt.blueyonder.co.uk [82.46.196.40]) (Authenticated sender: dabell-jim) by mail.foraynewmedia.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8999668BCC; Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:20:34 +0000 (GMT) From: Jim Dabell To: Robin Lee Powell Subject: [llg-board] Re: Lojban mailing list Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2008 18:20:58 +0000 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <200803012103.41741.jim@lojban.dabell.name> <20080302070023.GS24043@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20080302070023.GS24043@digitalkingdom.org> Cc: llg-board@lojban.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200803021821.00545.jim@lojban.dabell.name> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 365 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jim@lojban.dabell.name Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board > > and people who aren't subscribed to the list can post to it > > (meaning you relay spam to subscribers). > > *blink* > > That's certainly not true; what makes you say that? Perhaps you've changed it in the past year or two? I remember seeing a lot of spam in the web archives, meaning the spam was being sent to the list address and then distributed by you to the subscribers via the normal mailing list mechanism. Typically, spammers don't go to the trouble of subscribing to mailing lists, it's just a side-effect of them seeing the list address on a website somewhere and the list allowing non-subscribers to post. That's why so many mailing lists are subscriber-only. If this has already been solved, then great! > I've historically been resistant to changing this option, because I > *like* people being able to send private mail on the basis of old > mailing list threads, if the opportunity arises. You don't have to remove the address altogether, you can merely obfuscate it or hide it behind a POST so spam crawlers don't see it. This leniency actually backfired in my case - nobody can send me private mail on the basis of old mailing list threads at all now, because I let my old domain expire, because I was fed up of dealing with the mountain of spam. > Furthermore, it's been my experience that if you can't handle the spam that > being on lojban-list generates for you, you need a better spam system > *anyways*. My attitude was the same for years. The result was one spam email every few seconds, constantly. Sure, I can throw CPU and memory at the problem to filter out 99% of them (and get the occasional lost or delayed email due to false positives), but that still leaves an awful lot and I'd rather avoid the problem in the first place. Sure, lojban-list on its own might not be so bad, but when you participate in numerous projects over a period of years, it all adds up. > However, I'm copying this to the rest of the board in case any of > them have strong opinions on the issue, as my opinions are rather > mild. Thanks for your time. I totally understand where you are coming from with this. I don't think obfuscation is good either, just the lesser of two evils. -- Jim