From lojbab@lojban.org Thu Mar 05 13:07:03 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:07:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net ([68.230.240.47]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LfKmS-0002xw-F8 for llg-board@lojban.org; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 13:07:02 -0800 Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090305210653.VFMD4139.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Thu, 5 Mar 2009 16:06:53 -0500 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([70.187.235.94]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id PZ6t1b00E22sj6m02Z6tDa; Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:06:54 -0500 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=zCWX2fkviKoA:10 a=HgMv3tjaATEA:10 a=Cj28Y3nhhPM0suAgvlkA:9 a=tRI-may02Rxgnckd5L0Kl0a7d00A:4 a=Dqp-bWOt5EsA:10 a=HLKeJO4rHrdPuwR_:21 a=otrUTZTJKcmbUpVX:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <49B03EEA.3050305@lojban.org> Date: Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:06:50 -0500 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Spending money on getting people to penguicon. References: <20090305191021.GE27391@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20090305191021.GE27391@digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 473 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Robin Lee Powell wrote: > Thus far, the following people have expressed to me that money is > their primary reason for not for-sure showing up at PenguiCon: > > Pierre Abbat > > Craig Daniel > > Stephen Weeks > > Ted Reed > > I'm not sure about Craig Daniel; opinions welcome. I would, > however, like to help the others. > > I myself am in something of a tight financial situation right now, > so I can't help directly, but the LLG certainly has enough. > > I propose (not a motion yet; want to get people's feedback) that we > get these people to buy themselves tickets by whatever means, and > then we paypal them the cost, up to $NUM USD, perhaps $300 (which is > about the cost of a plane ticket on a discount airline through most > of the US these days). $1200 seems like a LOT of money to get just 4 people there. And if we are willing to spend $300 for one person, would we pay the (higher amount - a quick look says around $500) for someone like Arnt or one of the other overseas Lojbanists who might think it so incredibly expensive as to be presumptuous to ask or pay $300 towards their ticket price. I'm not sure I would vote no, especially since I recognize the names, and suspect that Robin could justify each based on their activity. But I hesitate about setting such a precedent. I'll admit that my mindset is still stuck in the cheap old days when we held Logfest at my house, spent $600 for the whole weekend for 20 people to come, and collected much of that in donations from the attendees. I wonder if any of these be able to participate if we paid half the ticket (and I assume someone is taking care of their hotel and living costs, or the ticket isn't that helpful to them)? lojbab