From lojbab@lojban.org Wed Mar 11 02:51:33 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:51:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao105.cox.net ([68.230.240.47]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LhL60-0001QE-8i for llg-board@lojban.org; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 02:51:33 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao105.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090311095121.XHHW4139.eastrmmtao105.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:51:21 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([70.187.235.94]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id RlrN1b00122sj6m02lrN1C; Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:51:22 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wbiUy1uqjgoA:10 a=mRcMyuhkYd8A:10 a=8YJikuA2AAAA:8 a=2hDmp8qbytHgbyaUZ_kA:9 a=OjQ-PAdH7acTvIBj1YUA:7 a=LjVesWNwampTPe3BXoFzPQnkKVkA:4 a=Dqp-bWOt5EsA:10 a=Xy1d2M_JUfAA:10 a=gEAoJJ_i7rWMm-10:21 a=1ktumjZOOtUYc29u:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <49B789EF.8060402@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:52:47 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Spending money on getting people to penguicon. References: <20090305191021.GE27391@digitalkingdom.org> <49B03EEA.3050305@lojban.org> <20090305212839.GI27391@digitalkingdom.org> <49B0473D.2060508@lojban.org> <20090305214356.GJ27391@digitalkingdom.org> <49B06356.9080901@lojban.org> <20090305235619.GO27391@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20090305235619.GO27391@digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 489 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Robin Lee Powell wrote: > 10%? We're not using the money for anything. What are you saving > the 90% *for*? At one time you mentioned that we might have to start paying a commercial server to handle lojban.org. I can't imagine that this would be cheap. I assume we eventually intend to publish a dictionary, and/or republish CLL. CLL cost us $17500 last time, and a dictionary would likely be worse. LS might be cheaper for a softcover, but I don't recall that they do "real" books of the sort that libraries put on their shelves. And I still keep hoping someone will start putting out a snail mail newsletter/JL again, though that hope seems forelorn unless I do it myself. But a few thousand of our bank balance is technically money owed to account holders and subscribers that we in theory should be paying back with publications. We also owe $1000 to Perry Smith, even though I don't know how to reach him (if he is still alive, he probably lives near Matt, since he worked for the Mathematics Association of America in Ann Arbor). A single press release to promote a new book will likely run $500, based on the fact that it ran over $300 last time. JCB spent around $2000 for his last advertisement in Scientific American, a splurge I could never justify with our own cash flow (we spent $120 for a micro-ad in Discover which got us a lot of calls but few sales because I had no clue how to write an ad to generate business), but the original Loglan community was largely built on responses to a SciAm ads in the 1970s. In short, big money is needed to promote the language wholesale, something we have never tried because I couldn't in good conscience do so without a dictionary in print. I paid for it myself last time, but sending just two people to a Worldcon, and selling books at a table would cost us well over $1000, but would give us enormously more exposure than LogFest, which is being held at a small local convention. I guess I'm not as confident that spending a large chunk of money for a couple of individuals to attend LogFest will promote the language all that much. I wouldn't think that LogFest itself is worth more than 10% of our annual budget given the small percentage of the existing community it serves. If it became a bigger deal, perhaps it would be worthwhile spending more, but I doubt that it will. lojbab