From lojbab@lojban.org Fri Mar 13 09:07:28 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:07:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao104.cox.net ([68.230.240.46]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Li9uu-0001Ic-8x for llg-board@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 09:07:27 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo01.cox.net ([68.1.16.119]) by eastrmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20090313160719.ZSRE12725.eastrmmtao104.cox.net@eastrmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:07:19 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([70.187.235.94]) by eastrmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id Sg7H1b00U22sj6m02g7HgN; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:07:18 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wbiUy1uqjgoA:10 a=mRcMyuhkYd8A:10 a=HiNL7D49AAAA:8 a=xrUYYnyMAAAA:8 a=kL-NXM762gp296KTJ_kA:9 a=sqIyGMsJ3PgakEZO9-gA:7 a=HNd0DDuOOUOEtbYRxxpUPoi0HvQA:4 a=Dqp-bWOt5EsA:10 a=WJ0yUOhVEOE9dLkR:21 a=L-t6LEDlj8h7l-51:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <49BA84B3.70502@lojban.org> Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 12:07:15 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Spending money on getting people to penguicon. References: <20090305191021.GE27391@digitalkingdom.org> <49B03EEA.3050305@lojban.org> <20090305212839.GI27391@digitalkingdom.org> <49B0473D.2060508@lojban.org> <20090305214356.GJ27391@digitalkingdom.org> <49B06356.9080901@lojban.org> <20090305235619.GO27391@digitalkingdom.org> <49B789EF.8060402@lojban.org> <20090312023210.GX11968@digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20090312023210.GX11968@digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 X-Spam-Score-Int: 0 X-Spam-Bar: / X-archive-position: 498 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Robin Lee Powell wrote: > I don't have the emotional energy to argue with your book-length > tirades, Tirade? >>A single press release to promote a new book will likely run $500, >>based on the fact that it ran over $300 last time. > > Why would we do such a thing? Because there are things that are done by publishers to promote their books, and that is one that was recommended at the time. >>JCB spent around $2000 for his last advertisement in Scientific >>American, a splurge I could never justify with our own cash flow > > See above. Why does anyone advertise in magazines? To reach a target audience. >>In short, big money is needed to promote the language wholesale, >>something we have never tried because I couldn't in good >>conscience do so without a dictionary in print. > > Exactly. Hopefully someday that situation will be remedied. >>I paid for it myself last time, but sending just two people to a >>Worldcon, and selling books at a table would cost us well over >>$1000, but would give us enormously more exposure than LogFest, >>which is being held at a small local convention. > > Where did that $1000 number come from? That seems to be entirely > ficticious. From the last Worldcon at Denver: Aug 6-10 2008 (Wed-Sun) http://pl745.pairlitesite.com/press/pr080609.exhibits.php Dealers' Room booth rate is $250 per table, and multiple tables may be purchased. A Denvention 3 membership is required for all vendor staff working at the dealer's table. If you are signing up now to be a dealer and join Denvention, a small membership discount may be applicable. For more information, please read over the information in our Dealers' Room packet and mail in your application. The packet can be found at: http://www.denvention.org/exhibits/dealers.php. Membership price: Full Membership $225 (x2 in order to have two people) Hotel rates at the Sheraton Double $149/night x 4 nights = $600 That's $1300 so far, transportation and meals not estimated. "well over $1000" is what I said. >>I wouldn't think that LogFest itself is worth more than 10% of >>our annual budget given the small percentage of the existing >>community it serves. If it became a bigger deal, perhaps it would >>be worthwhile spending more, but I doubt that it will. > > OK. I don't see that you in any way answered my question as to what > you wanted to spend the money on (the numbers you gave had nothing > to do with reality except for the things you said we weren't going > to do anyways). > > Regardless, that's a no vote. Is it? My response to Matt included the words: "At this point, I can accept Arnt's proposal, but ..." So if the vote in on Arnt's proposal, then please change my vote to "yes". lojbab