From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Fri Mar 13 15:14:39 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1LiFeJ-00017L-0T for llg-board@lojban.org; Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:14:39 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2009 15:14:39 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Spending money on getting people to penguicon. Message-ID: <20090313221439.GE13005@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: llg-board@lojban.org References: <20090305191021.GE27391@digitalkingdom.org> <49B03EEA.3050305@lojban.org> <20090305212839.GI27391@digitalkingdom.org> <49B0473D.2060508@lojban.org> <20090305214356.GJ27391@digitalkingdom.org> <49B06356.9080901@lojban.org> <20090305235619.GO27391@digitalkingdom.org> <49B789EF.8060402@lojban.org> <20090312023210.GX11968@digitalkingdom.org> <49BA84B3.70502@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <49BA84B3.70502@lojban.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-archive-position: 499 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board On Fri, Mar 13, 2009 at 12:07:15PM -0400, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > Robin Lee Powell wrote: >>> I paid for it myself last time, but sending just two people to a >>> Worldcon, and selling books at a table would cost us well over >>> $1000, but would give us enormously more exposure than LogFest, >>> which is being held at a small local convention. >> >> Where did that $1000 number come from? That seems to be entirely >> ficticious. > > > From the last Worldcon at Denver: > Aug 6-10 2008 (Wed-Sun) > http://pl745.pairlitesite.com/press/pr080609.exhibits.php > Dealers' Room booth rate is $250 per table, and multiple tables may be > purchased. A Denvention 3 membership is required for all vendor staff > working at the dealer's table. If you are signing up now to be a dealer > and join Denvention, a small membership discount may be applicable. For > more information, please read over the information in our Dealers' Room > packet and mail in your application. The packet can be found at: > http://www.denvention.org/exhibits/dealers.php. > > Membership price: > Full Membership $225 (x2 in order to have two people) > > Hotel rates at the Sheraton > Double $149/night x 4 nights = $600 > > That's $1300 so far, transportation and meals not estimated. > > "well over $1000" is what I said. All of our promotion at WorldCon so far has been done by people who were already going there anyway, so I wasn't thinking about membership, rooms, or transportation. >>> I wouldn't think that LogFest itself is worth more than 10% of >>> our annual budget given the small percentage of the existing >>> community it serves. If it became a bigger deal, perhaps it >>> would be worthwhile spending more, but I doubt that it will. >> >> OK. I don't see that you in any way answered my question as to >> what you wanted to spend the money on (the numbers you gave had >> nothing to do with reality except for the things you said we >> weren't going to do anyways). >> >> Regardless, that's a no vote. > > Is it? My response to Matt included the words: "At this point, I > can accept Arnt's proposal, but ..." > > So if the vote in on Arnt's proposal, then please change my vote > to "yes". Yeah, I hadn't seen that yet. Thanks. -Robin -- They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something other than the default outcome?" -- http://shorl.com/tydruhedufogre http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/