From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Oct 04 22:23:17 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao106.cox.net ([68.230.240.48]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mug2S-0006mR-Mh for llg-board@lojban.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2009 22:23:16 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo02.cox.net ([68.1.16.120]) by eastrmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20091005052307.UBIE19495.eastrmmtao106.cox.net@eastrmimpo02.cox.net>; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 01:23:07 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([70.187.235.94]) by eastrmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id otP51c00222sj6m02tP5L1; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:23:06 -0400 X-VR-Score: -170.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Q5lYyUyzZJsA:10 a=Lqe5TH9DAAAA:8 a=1aU9KuKL_WqGEXZOrjMA:9 a=8UoLkScEqJu4beG4UbMA:7 a=B3PKaDGUKFpqCltxwlwyTEvlHg0A:4 a=IxjsdNV8ll9RjKSR:21 a=CUlqwkGjg9abwki0:21 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4AC9825E.5070703@lojban.org> Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2009 01:21:34 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-board@lojban.org, John Cowan Subject: [llg-board] Re: "Community edited version" of CLL uploaded to the wiki References: <20091004134024.GA3835@nvg.org> <4AC8C7F4.4060002@lojban.org> <20091004170556.GC3835@nvg.org> <20091004172217.GD3835@nvg.org> <20091004193709.GA21532@mercury.ccil.org> In-Reply-To: <20091004193709.GA21532@mercury.ccil.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-archive-position: 575 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board John Cowan wrote: > Arnt Richard Johansen scripsit: >>Someone called "remod" on both IRC and the wiki have uploaded a >>version of the CLL that is based on the draft reference grammar with >>the approved errata incorporated, but does not "clearly mark" the >>modifications, as required by the licence. > > > I have seen it. > > >>Remod claims to have discussed this "in the chat" with Robin and John, >>and come to some sort of understanding. Do you have any recollection >>of this? > > > Remod pointed me to a place where I could download the PDF. I did so, and > examined it. From what I understand (though I have not checked this > claim in detail), it has been painstakingly collated with the printed > text, hence the reference to a "community edition", referring to the > collaborative proofreading effort. > > While I think this fact should be noted on the introductory page, I do > not see that it serves any purpose whatsoever to painstakingly note all > the several hundred differences between the HTML and the PDF, most of > which amount to corrections of obvious slips or typos. > > As the author I firmly approve of the existence of an electronic edition > of CLL. I do not think that allowing it to circulate at this late date > will damage hardcopy sales, and it may even help them -- there is some > anecdotal evidence to this effect[1]. I note that the first page actually > encourages this. > > I urge the Board to get the first page changed to acknowledge the > connection to the print edition, and then make the PDF an authorized > edition. > > [1] http://baen.com/library/home.htm I more or less bow to John's judgment, though again, I think it best that we just make the authorized corrections to my master, and then generate a new PDF and html. Then all three documents, in .doc, .html and .pdf can jointly serve as the new masters. I still think that we are obliged to generate change pages for any hardcopy editions that we sell, but I think I know how to do that. I think we should, in this case, significantly lower the price on the hardcopy CLL, and at the same time, also issue the book in softcopy POD form. If we do so, the POD should also have European, and perhaps Asian or Australian distributors, to eliminate the existing serious problem that someone buying CLL overseas now has to pay more than half the sales price for shipping. The exact tradeoff in price for hardback vs POD softbound is something I don't have much feel for - the POD would not need change pages, but the existing hardbound has a library-quality binding that I think has proven to hold up very well over time. On the other hand ... if the hardbound sales slow under such a move, I will not be willing to continue to store the 40-odd boxes remaining indefinitely. Gary Burgess can haul a few boxes to Matt a couple times a year, but we may need to do better than that at some point. It isn't an issue now, but it needs to be remembered. lojbab