From arj@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Oct 05 00:29:46 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:29:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no ([129.241.210.67]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Mui0q-000177-4r for llg-board@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 00:29:46 -0700 Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (unknown [IPv6:2001:700:300:2000:2a0:c9ff:feab:76e2]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (Postfix) with ESMTP id F2DDC94787 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:29:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id n957TGt3029325 for ; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:29:16 +0200 Received: (from arj@localhost) by hagbart.nvg.ntnu.no (8.13.8/8.13.1/Submit) id n957T9kU029324 for llg-board@lojban.org; Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:29:09 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 09:29:09 +0200 From: Arnt Richard Johansen To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: "Community edited version" of CLL uploaded to the wiki Message-ID: <20091005072909.GF3835@nvg.org> References: <20091004134024.GA3835@nvg.org> <4AC8C7F4.4060002@lojban.org> <20091004211223.GF14589@digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20091004211223.GF14589@digitalkingdom.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.1i X-NVG-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-NVG-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: arj@nvg.ntnu.no X-archive-position: 576 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: arj@nvg.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 02:12:23PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 12:06:12PM -0400, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > > Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > > >>From IRC: > > > > > >15:30 < remod> sorry was meant for florolf. But if you are interested, I've > > > attached the CLL PDF to the lojban.org page: > > > http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Complete+Lojban+Language > > >15:30 < remod> there's also a "single htnl page" versio > > >15:30 < remod> version* > > > > > >1) Did anyone approve this? > > > > I am sure no one did. Only the Board or possibly the byfy has the > > authority. > > Incorrect, actually; the copyright notice at the front of the CLL > makes it quite clear that anybody can modify and distribute it as > much as they like, as long as they say what they did. Thanks for the IRC log. I vaguely remember that someone were planning to do this, but were going to ask us for permission. As we discussed (and you seemed to agree), the licence only gives permission to distribute modified copies _if the modifications are clearly marked as such_. Here is a relevant excerpt: 2009-09-17 13:25:33 PDT/-0700< Broca> rlpowell: no objections here. But it's gotta be a _verbatim_ copy. --- 2009-09-17 13:41:33 PDT/-0700< selbeimanti> we brought it to the print version as much as possible. 2009-09-17 13:41:39 PDT/-0700< rlpowell> donri: No, anything that differs from the *print version*. 2009-09-17 13:42:02 PDT/-0700< donri> selbeimanti: have you not fixed errata that is not fixed in the book btw? 2009-09-17 13:42:11 PDT/-0700< donri> print* 2009-09-17 13:42:36 PDT/-0700< selbeimanti> only minor stuff like lots of forgotten dots at the end of english examples. 2009-09-17 13:42:58 PDT/-0700< donri> does that not technically mean we have to note that, however silly small changes? 2009-09-17 13:43:18 PDT/-0700< rlpowell> donri: For the time being, yes; including the errata, I'm afraid. 2009-09-17 13:43:38 PDT/-0700< rlpowell> Once we're done, you can talk to the board about getting licensed to not have to do that. --- 2009-09-17 14:20:31 PDT/-0700< remod> Ill send to the LLG and they'll decide if they want to put it on line or not So either remod thought that uploading the PDF and HTML files to a public wiki page constitued "sending to the LLG", or they were pulling a fast one. -- Arnt Richard Johansen http://arj.nvg.org/ I know, I know. I could write a whole book about procrastination, but who has the time? -- Mark Shoulson