From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Mon Oct 05 13:46:07 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f226.google.com ([209.85.217.226]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MuuRW-0002v7-Ac for llg-board@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:46:07 -0700 Received: by gxk26 with SMTP id 26so1797159gxk.11 for ; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:45:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=r2L6Q9Pjq7AayiZzf46+VQOB4abE4aTHJHFSXpN1X50=; b=XAVHqyC6oWdXAPRXQHR/uH5ecPWtOL03FPJMxAXmtwUlc0XkJ0MdvS38dmYPD4NA5w WN5IWqKy4QepzZ2a/tZckS1+ye/CHI1ZPkqWPJ75G+MYNRHglNksE10aoujfb22a2OWK /Dh34vrMF/c9J2ug+Qpx/5gkInNXJ6F9kFZEw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=GAPEtCJG+OM124QtQBoTwnhyWUK7hVY6ipfmTmpBuBO0KC93mJsri8HnWcRYMkPGJl S3M7vXEzOgQU7bW5Yx4meUqChCCT83Nm5zh8RPpPT+25bPzEPNVoUET63GbhaI+kYxTS z6DJSthFZA2lFEEoOT3RJafu7hqk5uQSnzJqA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.1.18 with SMTP id 18mr792030yba.156.1254775555707; Mon, 05 Oct 2009 13:45:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091005072909.GF3835@nvg.org> References: <20091004134024.GA3835@nvg.org> <4AC8C7F4.4060002@lojban.org> <20091004211223.GF14589@digitalkingdom.org> <20091005072909.GF3835@nvg.org> Date: Mon, 5 Oct 2009 16:45:55 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [llg-board] Re: "Community edited version" of CLL uploaded to the wiki From: Matt Arnold To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 578 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board I would support adjustments to the plan, but not just taking down the files. We certainly should not quash someone who is doing the work to accomplish forward momentum. There's no sense becoming James Cooke Brown 2.0, acting against our own project for the sake of our legal rights. Sometimes one is in one's rights to do something, but it doesn't actually serve one's own goals. Suppose they add to the beginning of their version an explanation of how and why it came to exist, stating that it is not yet the official version? -Matt On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 3:29 AM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 02:12:23PM -0700, Robin Lee Powell wrote: >> On Sun, Oct 04, 2009 at 12:06:12PM -0400, Robert LeChevalier wrote: >> > Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: >> > >>From IRC: >> > > >> > >15:30 < remod> sorry was meant for florolf. But if you are interested, I've >> > >               attached the CLL PDF to the lojban.org page: >> > >               http://www.lojban.org/tiki/The+Complete+Lojban+Language >> > >15:30 < remod> there's also a "single htnl page" versio >> > >15:30 < remod> version* >> > > >> > >1) Did anyone approve this? >> > >> > I am sure no one did.  Only the Board or possibly the byfy has the >> > authority. >> >> Incorrect, actually; the copyright notice at the front of the CLL >> makes it quite clear that anybody can modify and distribute it as >> much as they like, as long as they say what they did. > > Thanks for the IRC log. I vaguely remember that someone were planning to do this, but were going to ask us for permission. As we discussed (and you seemed to agree), the licence only gives permission to distribute modified copies _if the modifications are clearly marked as such_. > > Here is a relevant excerpt: > > 2009-09-17 13:25:33 PDT/-0700< Broca> rlpowell: no objections here. But it's > gotta be a _verbatim_ copy. > --- > 2009-09-17 13:41:33 PDT/-0700< selbeimanti> we brought it to the print version as much as possible. > 2009-09-17 13:41:39 PDT/-0700< rlpowell> donri: No, anything that differs from the *print version*. > 2009-09-17 13:42:02 PDT/-0700< donri> selbeimanti: have you not fixed errata that is not fixed in the book btw? > 2009-09-17 13:42:11 PDT/-0700< donri> print* > 2009-09-17 13:42:36 PDT/-0700< selbeimanti> only minor stuff like lots of forgotten dots at the end of english examples. > 2009-09-17 13:42:58 PDT/-0700< donri> does that not technically mean we have to note that, however silly small changes? > 2009-09-17 13:43:18 PDT/-0700< rlpowell> donri: For the time being, yes; including the errata, I'm afraid. > 2009-09-17 13:43:38 PDT/-0700< rlpowell> Once we're done, you can talk to the board about getting licensed to not have to do that. > --- > 2009-09-17 14:20:31 PDT/-0700< remod> Ill send to the LLG and they'll decide if they want to put it on line or not > > So either remod thought that uploading the PDF and HTML files to a public wiki page constitued "sending to the LLG", or they were pulling a fast one. > > -- > Arnt Richard Johansen                                http://arj.nvg.org/ > I know, I know.  I could write a whole book about procrastination, but > who has the time?    -- Mark Shoulson > > >