From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Tue Oct 06 13:02:09 2009 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gx0-f226.google.com ([209.85.217.226]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1MvGEV-0002cM-Pn for llg-board@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:02:08 -0700 Received: by gxk26 with SMTP id 26so4654970gxk.11 for ; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:01:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ibbaEqaLkdV6ZSZCpVBrQ1R0gJn8xaxlL0WCFygzR6Y=; b=pyrtuVPLkPMYzlvLJb9hTOnqmCYTgoijWiVgskaixPAfJXpbGyCXthpAaz25GuW9ts EhfEMbSn8J2f/2iMe0UIwHW46zChvcIhaUW+ydriezPHUh2BI5KV4lagN8qZDbVCPdPQ /LwsqgfKECUlxYR9UAUaFyxxQ9GGBXdpCUNuM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=xRMuLgKueXSP/gEBBm0Rcy8nzQbSRAr/URWQvVgj+aN5ATCMfAdh1TqA+9prMdGm/8 gj3udi5iuZjTivzvNNLrBKd9V5Lw1HHNkcd2Ia3yyEYe9TU+Q64FfA2h7IfCnf7vCIQ/ IKZp1HB1PBJ9JYMFDRJahrzWFvOJJedb6ln2A= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.9.1 with SMTP id 1mr3016423ybi.342.1254859317356; Tue, 06 Oct 2009 13:01:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091006193734.GL3835@nvg.org> References: <20091004134024.GA3835@nvg.org> <4AC8C7F4.4060002@lojban.org> <20091004170556.GC3835@nvg.org> <20091004172217.GD3835@nvg.org> <20091004193709.GA21532@mercury.ccil.org> <4AC9825E.5070703@lojban.org> <20091005222157.GI18623@mercury.ccil.org> <20091006193734.GL3835@nvg.org> Date: Tue, 6 Oct 2009 16:01:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [llg-board] Re: "Community edited version" of CLL uploaded to the wiki From: Matt Arnold To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 582 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Good email. I feel your pain when it comes to permission, both as respectful etiquette, and as a useful resource for making sure they get it right. I also appreciate your acknowledgement of the pragmatic approach. The note about public scrutiny is my favorite part. Your steps sound like a pretty good plan. -Matt On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > On Mon, Oct 05, 2009 at 06:21:57PM -0400, John Cowan wrote: >> The community edition uses a corrected version of the posted >> chapter-by-chapter HTML format as the editable master.  It can be >> edited with any HTML editor or by hand with equal ease, and its format >> is standardized by W3C and ISO. > > That is a good point. > > I'm still angry because they (for it now seems that it is a group effort, and that remod may not even be the one spearheading it) started merging the errata without asking for permission, distributed the updated CLL without asking for permission, and persist in not asking for permission, even after being told both by Robin and myself that that is what they need to do. > > But I agree with Matt that we need to think about what's good for the language and what's good for the reputation of the LLG. So I propose that we take the following actions: > > 1) Have the copyright of the CE assigned to us. I don't know if the changes that have been made are actually copyrightable, but if they are, and it doesn't belong to us, we do not have the legal right to do any of the following: > 2) Grant permission to distribute the CED under the same licence as any other CLL. > 3) Save the CE for use as the basis of the future 2nd ed. of CLL. > > (I share Bob's concern that substantive changes in the language may have been inserted, either accidentally or maliciously. But I'm convinced that public scrutiny will reveal any such changes, and in any case, the book carries a note that it is not the real thing.) > > To take care of 1), we should begin by making a reasonable effort to contact everyone involved with the project. > > -- > Arnt Richard Johansen                                http://arj.nvg.org/ > Your speaker should [...] not be suffering for a cold, or cough, or a > hangover. If something goes wrong [...] it is important that the speaker has > as similar a voice as with the original recording, waiting for another cold > to come along is not reasonable, (though some may argue that the same > hangover can easily be induced). >       --Building Synthetic Voices, by Alan W. Black and Kevin A. Lenzo > > >