From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Wed Mar 31 10:48:17 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:48:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f185.google.com ([209.85.211.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nx21O-0001w7-Jc for llg-board@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:48:13 -0700 Received: by ywh15 with SMTP id 15so186349ywh.28 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:received:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=hadXe6dSnMsSbQKxcjZesfNV5HnTkGeUDk8B4xeXqIo=; b=oLNRde4iww1ayUOLBs9FwP/QbUfNU97Okjj0fScENBJT1FvpJQE4UbzLbzczb9Zuew PAbIS71GPlwb0G9bEnf6/R2Q3QxZwd/YCmx36oPe+jwJKta1sizG5thSCz1HKc+xQnAJ V8LvE9wUrf3afCHivhVhQUnlFfT98A4YwfKa0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lt9lJsXz3N3x0jswfECinCYXvIFwTidrlhIpDAd5FmUD7vO9uK4WPdJZcAocVjmTJM 7HyTbGPBytJtvpzq9x+fuTOoaUpMh7ND5jKLwZY58CEiCTRpZbrUJ1n0uLEVYwQrTW9g iLspZuPRT9KQepCUz9w3gBnk0XqCdIpuSZfzA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.196.12 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BB3595B.7050004@lojban.org> References: <20100330073349.GN6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100330074134.GF3000@nvg.org> <20100330170011.GS6084@digitalkingdom.org> <4BB238B0.4000208@lojban.org> <20100330175115.GU6084@digitalkingdom.org> <4BB2E3D1.5050102@lojban.org> <4BB3595B.7050004@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 13:48:00 -0400 Received: by 10.150.193.21 with SMTP id q21mr261667ybf.44.1270057680231; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 10:48:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [llg-board] Re: VOTE RIGHT NOW (was RE: [rdentato@gmail.com: Creation of CLL PDF and HTML version]) From: Matt Arnold To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 638 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Lojbab, Here is my opinion. It sounds like Remo is asking permission again. That annoys me. So his CLL would have some inaccuracies. At least we'd have something instead of waiting forever for perfection. I am not a bureaucrat. I am not interested in voting, or other forms of permission. Here's how effective organizations work: A board of directors puts a trusted person (a conchair) in charge, and that person tells everyone what the imperfect-but-good-enough decision is, right now. Then they act, right now. I understand if that's not what you want, and it wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if you sought other candidates for the presidency. However, right now I'm it! This was what I had to say: Boards of Directors and voting organizations are counter-productive to their own goals. So instead, I merely said "Aye". -Matt On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > Matt Arnold wrote: >> >> OK, I read it. Is there an action item for me? -Matt > > (sigh)  Postings to the Board list are for discussion, not "action items". >  Since you never responded to it earlier, and I have some vague impression > that in early January you weren't fully engaged with the organization, it > seemed plausible to me that you were unaware of this. > > Since you *are* the President of the organization, you *might* consider > offering an opinion. > > I made three suggestions.  No one has *ever* responded to any of them, other > than Robin in effect asking me why I haven't already implemented the second > one.  (Arnt seemingly accepted the basis for my original concern, but did > not respond to my suggestions). > > There is a motion on the floor, which will either be approved or not. If > approved, each of my three suggestions still exist as options for policy. >  Either Remo or I could still modify the official baseline version for a > vote by byfy, independent of whether his version is put up on the site. >  Making the master public (suggestion 3) is presumably easily done, and > might or might not affect your work in order fulfillment, especially if we > were to decide to lower the price for the printed CLL at the same time. > > lojbab > > > >