From matt.mattarn@gmail.com Wed Mar 31 12:03:08 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:03:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f204.google.com ([209.85.210.204]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Nx3Bu-0008E6-DA for llg-board@lojban.org; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:03:07 -0700 Received: by yxe42 with SMTP id 42so245163yxe.24 for ; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:02:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:received:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=foGDtk0ulA8fr8L92tG3CP7w0B9Q0BhqvU74wFulC9I=; b=vSP+V9RRKvEloFqGvqoyCA9TkUjNGAGzxgyFff9NcHtuvc1uZbC2EtGzanGusMTZBD CttJMOc8RZXRwnc1Z4q2bZ07lbWukcC2Vjq9cASBtIKx0GN+Se35i11wujTpArxr0d1L PnRHIFDWpit4FlY2hVp9PB9ymwnPJGUZViM7o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=kBimAqhyjyd5i2dce9LBWnaapw5mm+kf6N14FL63DhbEZmI2UAHZbh0IF/TNdeAtRQ cK/rlOsD2GOlTJEs6ZmM+ZA1O6EiFiGFO46d79eSZsQm4ZPd5XVyS7y68CqgIrGCF3t8 Pt66sY7rPPR5yPQ/6zGE7Ss+FX6yjZ8ssI6zs= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.196.12 with HTTP; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:02:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20100330073349.GN6084@digitalkingdom.org> <20100330074134.GF3000@nvg.org> <20100330170011.GS6084@digitalkingdom.org> <4BB238B0.4000208@lojban.org> <20100330175115.GU6084@digitalkingdom.org> <4BB2E3D1.5050102@lojban.org> <4BB3595B.7050004@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 15:02:55 -0400 Received: by 10.150.180.12 with SMTP id c12mr306826ybf.144.1270062175724; Wed, 31 Mar 2010 12:02:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [llg-board] Re: VOTE RIGHT NOW (was RE: [rdentato@gmail.com: Creation of CLL PDF and HTML version]) From: Matt Arnold To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-archive-position: 645 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Clarification: When I said "I'm it", I ended up sounding as if I was saying I am actually the sort of dictator that I wish this organization had. I can reassure you, I am not that out of touch. I meant I was President, for better or for worse, as presently understood. -Matt On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Matt Arnold wrote: > Lojbab, > > Here is my opinion. It sounds like Remo is asking permission again. > That annoys me. So his CLL would have some inaccuracies. At least we'd > have something instead of waiting forever for perfection. > > I am not a bureaucrat. I am not interested in voting, or other forms > of permission. Here's how effective organizations work: A board of > directors puts a trusted person (a conchair) in charge, and that > person tells everyone what the imperfect-but-good-enough decision is, > right now. Then they act, right now. I understand if that's not what > you want, and it wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if you sought other > candidates for the presidency. However, right now I'm it! > > This was what I had to say: Boards of Directors and voting > organizations are counter-productive to their own goals. So instead, I > merely said "Aye". > > -Matt > > > On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:16 AM, Robert LeChevalier wrote: >> Matt Arnold wrote: >>> >>> OK, I read it. Is there an action item for me? -Matt >> >> (sigh)  Postings to the Board list are for discussion, not "action items". >>  Since you never responded to it earlier, and I have some vague impression >> that in early January you weren't fully engaged with the organization, it >> seemed plausible to me that you were unaware of this. >> >> Since you *are* the President of the organization, you *might* consider >> offering an opinion. >> >> I made three suggestions.  No one has *ever* responded to any of them, other >> than Robin in effect asking me why I haven't already implemented the second >> one.  (Arnt seemingly accepted the basis for my original concern, but did >> not respond to my suggestions). >> >> There is a motion on the floor, which will either be approved or not. If >> approved, each of my three suggestions still exist as options for policy. >>  Either Remo or I could still modify the official baseline version for a >> vote by byfy, independent of whether his version is put up on the site. >>  Making the master public (suggestion 3) is presumably easily done, and >> might or might not affect your work in order fulfillment, especially if we >> were to decide to lower the price for the printed CLL at the same time. >> >> lojbab >> >> >> >> >