From lojbab@lojban.org Sun Aug 15 09:17:22 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from eastrmmtao101.cox.net ([68.230.240.7]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Okftc-0001r0-TF for llg-board@lojban.org; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 09:17:21 -0700 Received: from eastrmimpo03.cox.net ([68.1.16.126]) by eastrmmtao101.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20100815161710.NLEV14747.eastrmmtao101.cox.net@eastrmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:17:10 -0400 Received: from [192.168.0.101] ([70.179.118.163]) by eastrmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id ugH91e00K3Xcbvq02gH9HM; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:17:10 -0400 X-VR-Score: -140.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=8YkfEhGG7vV0XXPaAOAmI5neWffY5hQijzmOlabWc+M= c=1 sm=1 a=Gt78rkb-syIA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:17 a=z-EDn3IhNxxWpwBlHiMA:9 a=X90B1EFIqSZjnV5MSAAA:7 a=bClZvBAEBJqCBPXnIWQHQNHv2PUA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=nN4SFjhcbgtfZoSl:21 a=1Dqq1oXrJIbliCOz:21 a=7ls7RdmwX4RvLZNVULbZcg==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Message-ID: <4C681306.1070809@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:17:10 -0400 From: Robert LeChevalier User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Robin told me to e-mail you. References: <234942.11937.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <234942.11937.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam_score: 0.8 X-Spam_score_int: 8 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Lindar Greenwood wrote: > There has been talk and suggestion amongst people that hiring > somebody to finish/work on the BPFK project is a real possibility. I > would be willing to dedicate time out of my day specifically to work > on the BPFK formal definitions. I would like to negotiate a price, > but I'm not sure what is reasonable or affordable. At six dollars an > hour (two below statutory rate in California) for 15 hours a week, > that would come to some 300$, which to me sounds like way too much, > but at the same time, that's only 2.5 hours a day with one day off, > which is not much work. If my rent (545$/mo.) was paid each moX-archive-position: 680 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: lojbab@lojban.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Lindar Greenwood wrote: > There has been talk and suggestion amongst people that hiring > somebody to finish/work on the BPFK project is a real possibility. I > would be willing to dedicate time out of my day specifically to work > on the BPFK formal definitions. I would like to negotiate a price, > but I'm not sure what is reasonable or affordable. At six dollars an > hour (two below statutory rate in California) for 15 hours a week, > that would come to some 300$, which to me sounds like way too much, > but at the same time, that's only 2.5 hours a day with one day off, > which is not much work. If my rent (545$/mo.) was paid each month, I > would spend 8-12 hours a day, six days a week working on the project. > However, Robin tells me that this is nowhere near feasible, but I > thought I would put the offer on the table as it stands. I have the > time and the knowhow to finish this project on my own, I just can't > afford it. > > So, as per the suggestion of Robin Powell, I am e-mailing you to > notify the LLG that I am willing to work, officially or unofficially, > in exchange for a reasonable pay, on anything which the LLG needs > completed. This includes the formal definitons, the dictionary > project, CLL2, any translations necessary, paid travel for business > affairs, anything similar, and perhaps any manual labour required. > > Thank you for your time. I don't think it would be wise to hire anyone on an hourly basis without paying at least minimum wage AND we would have to the other stuff associated with an employee, most notably paying the FICA (social security) tax. I rather strongly suspect that Robin wouldn't like the added paperwork. We could hire him as a contractor, but I'm not sure whether we can evade laws in that way (or whether we should do so, even if we can). The real question is: how long would it take to do a satisfactory job on the BYFY project. If it could be done in 100 hours for $1000, I might be talked into it, but if it will take 500 hours and cost $5000, that is a lot tougher decision. The overall policy question of whether to pay people for Lojban work is a worthwhile topic for the annual meeting, whether or not we think Lindar's offer is useful. lojbab