From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 10 11:19:46 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ou8CP-0001UP-MU for llg-board@lojban.org; Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:19:45 -0700 Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 11:19:45 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Robin told me to e-mail you. Message-ID: <20100910181945.GA20652@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: llg-board@lojban.org References: <234942.11937.qm@web50404.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <4C681306.1070809@lojban.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4C681306.1070809@lojban.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-archive-position: 681 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 12:17:10PM -0400, Robert LeChevalier wrote: > Lindar Greenwood wrote: > >There has been talk and suggestion amongst people that hiring > >somebody to finish/work on the BPFK project is a real > >possibility. I would be willing to dedicate time out of my day > >specifically to work on the BPFK formal definitions. I would like > >to negotiate a price, but I'm not sure what is reasonable or > >affordable. At six dollars an hour (two below statutory rate in > >California) for 15 hours a week, that would come to some 300$, > >which to me sounds like way too much, but at the same time, > >that's only 2.5 hours a day with one day off, which is not much > >work. If my rent (545$/mo.) was paid each month, I would spend > >8-12 hours a day, six days a week working on the project. > >However, Robin tells me that this is nowhere near feasible, but I > >thought I would put the offer on the table as it stands. I have > >the time and the knowhow to finish this project on my own, I just > >can't afford it. > > > >So, as per the suggestion of Robin Powell, I am e-mailing you to > >notify the LLG that I am willing to work, officially or > >unofficially, in exchange for a reasonable pay, on anything which > >the LLG needs completed. This includes the formal definitons, the > >dictionary project, CLL2, any translations necessary, paid travel > >for business affairs, anything similar, and perhaps any manual > >labour required. > > > >Thank you for your time. > > > I don't think it would be wise to hire anyone on an hourly basis > without paying at least minimum wage AND we would have to the > other stuff associated with an employee, most notably paying the > FICA (social security) tax. I rather strongly suspect that Robin > wouldn't like the added paperwork. Rather. > We could hire him as a contractor, but I'm not sure whether we can > evade laws in that way (or whether we should do so, even if we > can). I don't know either, and I desperately don't want to have to find out. I'm totally fine with evading anything that saves me paperwork. :D Another option is to pass the hat, as it were: have a bunch of individuals chip in directly. Seems a waste with all our money lying around, though. > The real question is: how long would it take to do a satisfactory > job on the BYFY project. If it could be done in 100 hours for > $1000, I might be talked into it, but if it will take 500 hours > and cost $5000, that is a lot tougher decision. The work Lindar is capable of doing is limited; ey is not technical in any sanse, including the sense required to seriously debate Lojban language issues. Ey is fully capable of doing what I've asked for on the BPFK community work page, however, and that's less than 100 hours, IMO. > The overall policy question of whether to pay people for Lojban > work is a worthwhile topic for the annual meeting, whether or not > we think Lindar's offer is useful. I very strongly agree, because I really *would* like for us to be able to do that, I just don't want to do the required research myself. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/