From veijo.vilva@gmail.com Sat Sep 25 22:31:05 2010 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f181.google.com ([209.85.216.181]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OzjpF-0003uW-N2 for llg-board@lojban.org; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:31:05 -0700 Received: by qyk33 with SMTP id 33so6003346qyk.19 for ; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:30:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=FS+yiJyXygRueaPvlim8ODSC9ZUPNmSotNArK3f69/4=; b=H8ctAu19nbTkKhVQ542We6EswwWf/tjO/au8C8WSWRB2CGiHukPhXxaJUDcu+8M/Bu Rwqico7xDCvjYZEmS7xxxanU1GmHfSnF7PoPSC6JljXUt1Zm0BFr4K4Tg5E35zsFV6sn YiYlIQY5bpOgatj1obppZTSU/cW3Cx+TUzELM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bMWw873wnQMkIc4Q1SG469R/xvnQal/E23xQXITE5hXz7uEIugP40Z/LJvpWA+ADYY LJ3vjvCdPj9+95o27B/LEd72ISsyLTTwb1F+HIg31yTvc6lruH7jxyrlfZjcza6desyr x+Vk9TTo0Q/sdo5e+2hVs1rO7GVbbcyqYNNWY= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.163.10 with SMTP id y10mr2027862vcx.63.1285479055394; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:30:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.178.134 with HTTP; Sat, 25 Sep 2010 22:30:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4C9C9D74.5030603@lojban.org> References: <4C9A674F.5020102@lojban.org> <4C9C9D74.5030603@lojban.org> Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 08:30:55 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: [llg-board] Re: New Board meeting From: Veijo Vilva To: llg-board@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam_score: 0.7 X-Spam_score_int: 7 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > Everyone appears to be here and I'm beginning to feel this Board meeting is going to be about as lively as the AGM. [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is freemail (veijo.vilva[at]gmail.com) -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at http://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.85.216.181 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature 0.0 T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL T_TO_NO_BRKTS_FREEMAIL X-archive-position: 694 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: veijo.vilva@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG wrote: > Everyone appears to be here and I'm beginning to feel this Board meeting is going to be about as lively as the AGM. > Should I offer to continue as President? Before we discuss the person of the President, I think we ought to discuss what is required of the President in the present situation - and also of the members and the whole formal LLG. After we kind of dissolved "Lojban Central", our Academie Francaise role, there has been a certain loss of purpose. Mere administration isn't fun, and there is also a clear contradiction between the requirements for membership (as defined in the Bylaws) and the requirements of the administration. I think we ought to take a half step back, i.e., not back to concerning ourselves with "the letter of the law" but with the spirit. The present requirements for membership are only relevant if the LLG as an organization is still concerned with Lojban at some linguistic level, it is not necessary to be a linguist or what so ever for mere administration. > I have not given the job the time >I< think it needs, Time for what, in your opinion? > Robin at the time suggested that all I needed to do was stay > out of the way of people trying to get things done So basically the job of the President would be just that of a chairman of the Annual and Board meetings? That is an awful waste of resources. The Board is small, and all hands are needed, not so much for mere administration, there isn't too much of that after all and many purely technical tasks can be delegated to outsiders, as for trying to find a way of preventing an organisational withering away. This year the AGM has been more like a corpse than a real meeting and not a place to discuss the way ahead, not without a proper preparation, that is. A Board was elected, not with much enthusiasm, a Board with members most of whom have real Real Life constraints to be taken into account. Now the Board ought to find enough Spirit to first of all motivate its own members and then the general membership. Here the role of the President is decisive, and he ought to have enough time, motivation and perspective to prepare ideas for the Board to discuss and prepare for a GM, ordinary or extraordinary. I think this would be definitely better than the President delegating the preparation to another member of the Board. Given our meager resources, the President ought to be a Head instead of a Figurehead, the Board ought to be something more than an accounting office and the membership ought to be resuscitated to have some real function. I offer this as a starting point for a preparatory discussion before the election or nomination - instead of us proceeding with the election as a mere formality to be fulfilled. 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