From rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Wed Jul 06 09:24:13 2011 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list llg-board); Wed, 06 Jul 2011 09:24:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QeUtY-0006Ft-V7 for llg-board@lojban.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 09:24:13 -0700 Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:24:12 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: llg-board@lojban.org Subject: [llg-board] Re: Suggestion for a Cooperation with Anki, the spaced repetition system Message-ID: <20110706162412.GM8547@digitalkingdom.org> Mail-Followup-To: llg-board@lojban.org References: <4E14343E.2080205@wakelift.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4E14343E.2080205@wakelift.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) X-archive-position: 796 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: llg-board-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: llg-board@lojban.org X-list: llg-board Let me summarize, since Timo used me to help work on this idea: 1. A decent number and growing (more than a dozen, I'm pretty certain, *that I know of*) of Lojbanists use Anki (a particular flashcard program). 2. Dude solicits donations; perhaps we should give him some money for being awesome. 3. In return (yes, technically that makes it not a donation, but meh), perhaps we could work with him on integrating some of our word lookup programs into people's Anki card lists. This all sounds decent to me. The suggestion was $100 for the Anki dude; I so move, with the proviso that Timo be in charge of the actual discussion/correspondance with him. -Robin On Wed, Jul 06, 2011 at 12:09:02PM +0200, Timo Paulssen wrote: > Hello fellow Board Members :) > > terribly awesome ideas have been keeping me from my well-deserved sleep > last night. Of particular interest to you might be this one: > > Imagine, you are a user of Anki[1] (be it on your windows/linux/mac or > ipad/iphone(touch)/android/other web-enabled smartphone/television set with > internet access/...) and you'd like to keep your deck of flashcards up to date > with interesting words you come across. Of course it's quite bothersome (even if > educational) to type up the definition and notes of a word you like (a lujvo or > fu'ivla out of jbovlaste, perhaps), so maybe you end up deciding against > spending time on this somewhat tedious task. (plus: in the future there might be > more and more recordings of vocab and maybe pictures, which you would have to > download separately! Oh, the horror!) > > This is where my two-part idea comes in: First is a brutally easy system for > applications to push new cards into decks of Anki users. Second is a little > button, just like those Facebook "like" buttons that appear everywhere on the > 'net these days, that could be added to jbovlaste, vlasisku[2] and others[3] > which would instantly[4] push the cards into your deck. > > The idea how to technically do this would be to use an existing single-sign-on > service (openid, google account, "connect with facebook", ...) to make > authentication fast and painless, connect to Ankis WebSync and operate on the deck. > > Since this doesn't seem too clean (working on the deck directly? blech!), I was > thinking, that the LLG (through me) could contact Damien Elmes, the developer of > Anki, with a "cooperation offer"[5], that would result in an API that's more > suited for this kind of operation. In return, the LLG would offer a Donation (a > hundred dollars was a suggestion I heard - I'm not good with moneys, so I don't > know if more or less would be appropriate). It could probably also result in > open source software, that's useful to learners of other languages, as well[6]. > > I've briefly brought up the idea of the "push to my deck" button on the IRC > channel and two people besides me already voiced interest. > > In case Anki isn't widespread enough among Lojbanists (as opposed to some other > software like mnemosyne or jmemorize), maybe a case could be made for a unified > API to push cards to peoples decks regardless of software? > > mu'o mi'e la timos noi se pluka lo nu zbasu lo dinju bu'u lo tsani > > [1] since smart.fm became commercial, I believe at least some switched to Anki. > Asking on the IRC quickly got me six people, maybe a proper investigation is in > order before committing to this plan. > [2] http://vlasisku.lojban.org - A beautiful and usable word search website. > [3] An app, that knows what cards you have in anki and offers words you don't > "know" yet that it finds on the IRC and the mailing lists to you is just one > idea of many. others include irc client plugins, desktop programs, ... > [4] due to the flexibility of the anki data model, a bit of intelligence and > perhaps user intervention is needed at this point :( > [5] I know, adding this term to a mail subject will get it classified as spam in > an instant :) > [6] I don't know if lernu.net, the esperanto learning platform, already has some > sort of spaced repetition learning system integrated with it, so maybe they > would be interested as well? > > -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/