Received: from localhost ([::1]:47373 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta6gK-0007p6-Qj; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:21:12 -0800 Received: from mail-ee0-f53.google.com ([74.125.83.53]:55180) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1Ta6gD-0007p1-8A for llg-members@lojban.org; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:21:09 -0800 Received: by mail-ee0-f53.google.com with SMTP id c50so2568042eek.40 for ; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:20:58 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2Ljj72m+f3EzDuOhTyxc3nfPZJxQdjnl7nQo5CY2ERE=; b=J9WLk/TH/LfSq40/Z9lydh5EoLExkpRCvPZMikdS96m0WvaDT50mO/L0O9XzuSSdjf iRca/vClDfSzdO1L94xNBUmQ9sI/jBVeDRPoBSPVeU6zXXmgqqNAxSrC85MISDFKtuLe wN9jVwKHFtUd87/Kl66FjnOo+L7CyOj7iQwK2Ho8nps5Kc1a1FCwVu/WOqR6tcQFw5lM P610v3W5U1Ul2X0/m2NHIqCfelM1PQjxM/Qqz6NmaWY0gHLc5zmIVpTRDLptwxatMd/x WJKWTvn11Y2H7J2+mMVi/OSlp4lBmfzQti0Uk1bzM8DGL0N8aN1lIg39qofP1gClFWBp j0/w== Received: by 10.14.209.136 with SMTP id s8mr15526589eeo.33.1353252058047; Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:20:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.1.73] (87-194-76-177.bethere.co.uk. [87.194.76.177]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id e7sm18079565eep.1.2012.11.18.07.20.55 (version=SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sun, 18 Nov 2012 07:20:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <50A8FCD6.1000103@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Nov 2012 15:20:54 +0000 From: And Rosta User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.28) Gecko/20120306 Thunderbird/3.1.20 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: llg-members@lojban.org References: <5097960D.8000704@lojban.org> <20121105114949.GN407@mercury.ccil.org> <20121105154210.GD30442@mercury.ccil.org> <20121116214127.GK25271@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> <50A7A49C.4010403@gmail.com> <20121118004735.GE28469@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> In-Reply-To: <20121118004735.GE28469@stodi.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [Llg-members] LLG Annual Meeting - Quorum Call X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org Robin Lee Powell, On 18/11/2012 00:47: > Thanks for the explanation. Your repsonse implies that there's an > actual contender out there; is that true? It's news to me if so. Xorban would count as an actual contender, since it's now out there in the public world, albeit in inchoate form, having been born accidentally in August 2012. > Is there another loglang with, say, 20 active community members? If > not, I find all your points fairly irrelevant, but I can understand > why you wouldn't. Xorban doesn't have 20 active community members but has the most active community focused on loglang development (compared to Lojban, Ceqli, Guaspi; I don't monitor what's going on with Loglan), tho it's early days. I've always thought the size and vitality of the Lojban community was important, in that it seemed likely that because loglangers gravitate thither, it would be from within that community that a collaborative project to develop an adequate auxloglang might emerge. I'm not sure why you'd ask about number of active community members yet find my points irrelevant. I said "The reason for anyone joining the Lojban community now would be a liking for the language and/or the community"; I agree that the size of the active Lojbanist community is a potential attraction for many (of the few interested in invented languages in the first place). Maybe you're thinking that you do want there to be an auxloglang, but a relatively poorly designed one with an active user base has a better chance of success than a relatively well designed one without an active user base? If so, I guess you'd have to make your own judgement about the how big the difference in design quality is, how significant the difference in community size is, and the relative importance of those two in furthering the auxloglang goal. I have my own views on that, but I won't blurt them into the middle of the LLG Annual Meeting. --And. _______________________________________________ Llg-members mailing list Llg-members@lojban.org http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members