Received: from localhost ([::1]:44720 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XtX8g-0007G0-Ng; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:35:50 -0800 Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com ([209.85.214.171]:35605) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1XtX8c-0007Fj-F2 for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:35:48 -0800 Received: by mail-ob0-f171.google.com with SMTP id uz6so1775734obc.2 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:35:40 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=PZty63b9fvuG0+svNPWLzRhb2A//B8ncyJtAjlGQzNM=; b=mgY60MghhndrMaXz4eTqskmwdECLgRljXHvtmehs0rHXikYH+gMfNdCphs92PsC2WO BtEda3wBMF8KzGkcyUj8idOygYxuXZK8cFC/txXLA2fnpnp1khhM83XM63Zjyqi0zKYd FA2bK22ACuFWUghT5kYj4T/pFEN6L796y1PF1ptTlPMxa8g3faHBIkdsCmbce730y3tl X3NGjXYNQtIHV3p70HYlXRU5wRHEgEf0EdjaTWdcy2ItX/mY4F00ot7/7UxUrzoU2OjA N8CE7MIj2A3XiLj4OOPOL4BkgnDwJgu+e05mG7fwEFlWNfpSzimtRL4I9mOG3Jnb8Y1W zuMg== X-Received: by 10.60.173.240 with SMTP id bn16mr19702013oec.41.1416987340069; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:35:40 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.76.152.136 with HTTP; Tue, 25 Nov 2014 23:35:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <54744A53.7040501@gmail.com> From: guskant Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 16:35:19 +0900 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam_score: -1.0 X-Spam_score_int: -9 X-Spam_bar: - Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2014 Annual Meeting - Motion to create a Project Manager position. X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8323380706557553714==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8323380706557553714== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e011844100e63d10508be139d --089e011844100e63d10508be139d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As la gleki gave the list of social media, I herewith inform you of some additional items to be inserted to the list. * http://www.douban.com/group/405702/ The current community of mainland China. The recent post is February 14, 2014. * http://www.douban.com/group/lojban/ The previous community of mainland China. The activity stopped in 2009. * https://www.facebook.com/groups/lojbanhk/ A community of HongKong maintained by la sorpa'as in Taiwan. * https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban-soudan A community of Japanese speakers (admins: la tijlan, la guskant, la limna, Masato Hagiwara.) This community has an account on github: https://github.com/ponjbogri * https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu Another community of Japanese speakers (admin: la cogas.) mu'o 2014-11-26 16:03 GMT+09:00 Gleki Arxokuna : > > > 2014-11-26 0:40 GMT+03:00 Ali Sajid Imami : > >> =E2=80=8BHere's the list of tasks the officer would perform: >> >> - =E2=80=8BTake care of all the social media options to consolidate t= heir >> control under LLG. >> >> > *mw.lojban.org wiki (who is admin - a rhetorical question, it's installed > on Robin's vrici) > *twitter.com/uitki (a news feed automatically showing all recent changes > in mw.lojban.org wiki, Gleki has access to the account) > *https://twitter.com/LojbanHQ (at least Gleki has access, as of now > probably the main news feed in Twitter apart from changes in mw.lojban.or= g > ) > *https://twitter.com/lojban - someone took this account (who is the > owner?) > *https://www.facebook.com/LojbanHQ (also shows changes in mw.lojban.org, > at least Gleki has access). > *IRC chat (who is the owner?) > * thelogicallanguagegroup@gmail.com and its Google+/ Youtube account. (at > least Gleki has access) > * https://www.facebook.com/groups/lojban/ (several admins including Ali, > Robin, la tsani, la gleki, la selpa'i) > * reddit.com/r/lojban/ (the admins are: JimDabell MattArnold selckiku > sarefo shanoxilt hicklc01) > * http://www.quora.com/Lojban Not sure if administrating is possible > there at all > *https://ello.co/lojban - a new social network. Gleki has access to this > link and can send invites to others. API is not known, so no automatic > posting there. > *https://vk.com/menli.bangu - a Russian group. Gleki is an admin, but the > owner isn't in our control, potentially can do anything. > *https://vk.com/lojban - a news feed of mw.lojban,org. under Gleki's > control. > *https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban (who are the admins?) > *https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/lojban-beginners (who are the > admins?) > May be later I'll list more. > The main place of activity is IRC chat #lojban and the mailing list and > should be mostly advertised. > > Facebook, Google+ are all temporary places that IMO ultimately should lea= d > to the IRC chat. I 'm not sure they will last forever. IRC chat is the mo= st > active place and only it should be promoted most. > > >> - >> - Maintain a list of any and all activities that are happening around >> the world. I know That there is a thriving Japanese subcommunity and = gleki >> is doing a lot of work in Russia. >> - Maintain a list of all projects and a list of who is doing what and >> what state each project is in. How many of us know exactly where the = CLL >> 1.1 and the Dictionary project are. >> - The important bit here is that they will be able to both recruit >> and screen volunteers from the community. I have seen many volunteers= in >> the community who want to help, but they can't because there isn't a >> designated person to approach. The actual responsibilities are all >> decentralized which makes it difficult for newcomers to contribute. I= t will >> also shield actual workers from people who come on and then disappear= . >> - Maintain deadlines and road-maps that can be disseminated to the >> internet and within the lojban and conlang communities and can be use= d to >> get more people interested. >> >> > Also imo having a nicely formatted wiki is also important. > For more than two years I've been preparing mw.lojban.org (the content > has been copied from the tiki last time in April 2013 so by that time the > two wikis were identical except in formatting or a lack of it) but since > there are more than 2000 pages the work is still not finished. The tiki w= as > out of question due to performance issues. > It'd be nice if someone else can join this effort. > > >> - >> >> The problem is, as I said in the opening post, that right now one of our >> biggest problem is that people in charge of all the projects all have da= y >> jobs and all are volunteers. Which hasn't affected their work as much bu= t >> it has made it difficult to communicate with others. Which is why a sing= le >> point-of-contact can be beneficial. >> >> The problem isn't that people aren't engaged: They ARE. It's just that >> all the material is scattered and the people who want to work have no >> single recourse. The fact that we have the community split into mailing >> list, IRC and facebook now doesn't help either. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> Ali Sajid Imami >> CTO >> Khabaristan Times >> >> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Matt Arnold >> wrote: >> >>> What tasks would the officer perform, which would address the reasons >>> people are not engaged? >>> >>> -Eppcott >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Gleki Arxokuna < >>> gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> where is the list of those projects? >>>> >>>> 2014-11-25 12:26 GMT+03:00 Ali Sajid Imami = : >>>> >>>>> My meaning was less pay than you would pay a US based person. The >>>>> problem we have is more administrative than linguistic. We need to ke= ep >>>>> people engaged and all. Plus our social media presence is scattered a= nd if >>>>> we can get all of it consolidated and active that would be in our fav= or too. >>>>> On Nov 25, 2014 1:22 AM, "And Rosta" wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ali Sajid Imami, On 25/11/2014 08:50: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I can also suggest someone I know personally who would be perfect f= or >>>>>>> this role and she lives in Pakistan so we don't even have to pay he= r >>>>>>> in US terms, rather in PK terms. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> What are PK terms? >>>>>> >>>>>> Could your candidate do linguistic work (such as bpfk summaries) or >>>>>> just administrative? >>>>>> >>>>>> --And. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Llg-members mailing list >>>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --089e011844100e63d10508be139d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As la gleki gave the list of social media, I herewith info= rm you of some additional items to be inserted to the list.

<= div>*=C2=A0http://www.douba= n.com/group/405702/ =C2=A0 The current community of mainland China. The= recent post is February 14, 2014.
*=C2=A0http://www.douban.com/group/lojban/ =C2=A0 The= previous community of mainland China. The activity stopped in 2009.
<= div>*=C2=A0https://ww= w.facebook.com/groups/lojbanhk/ =C2=A0 A community of HongKong maintain= ed by la sorpa'as in Taiwan.
*=C2=A0https://groups.google.com/forum/#!= forum/lojban-soudan =C2=A0 A community of Japanese speakers (admins: la= tijlan, la guskant, la limna, Masato Hagiwara.) =C2=A0 This community has = an account on github: =C2=A0https:= //github.com/ponjbogri
*=C2=A0https://groups.google.com/foru= m/#!forum/ponjo_lojbo_citno_girzu =C2=A0 Another community of Japanese = speakers (admin: la cogas.) =C2=A0

mu'o
<= /div>

2014-11-26 1= 6:03 GMT+09:00 Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>= :


2014-11-26= 0:40 GMT+03:00 Ali Sajid Imami <ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com>= :
=E2=80=8BHere's the list of tasks the officer = would perform:
  • =E2=80=8BTake care of all the social media option= s to consolidate their control under LLG.

*mw.lojban.org wiki (who is admin - a rhetorical question, it&#= 39;s installed on Robin's vrici)
*twitter.com/uitki (a news feed automaticall= y showing all recent changes in mw.lojban.org wiki, Gleki has access to the account)
= *https://twitter= .com/LojbanHQ (at least Gleki has access, as of now probably the main n= ews feed in Twitter apart from changes in mw.lojban.org)
*https://twitter.com/lojban - someone took= this account=C2=A0=C2=A0(who is the owner?)
*https://www.facebook.com/Lojba= nHQ (also shows changes in mw.lojban.org, at least Gleki has access).
*IRC ch= at (who is the owner?)
* thelogicallanguagegroup@gmail.com and it= s Google+/ Youtube account. (at least Gleki has access)
* https://= www.facebook.com/groups/lojban/ (several admins including Ali, Robin, l= a tsani, la gleki, la selpa'i)
* reddit.com/r/lojban/ (the admins are:= JimDabell MattArnold selckiku sarefo shanoxilt hicklc01)
* http://www.quora.com/L= ojban Not sure if administrating is possible there at all
*https://ello.co/lojb= an - a new social network. Gleki has access to this link and can send i= nvites to others. API is not known, so no automatic posting there.
*https://vk.com/= menli.bangu - a Russian group. Gleki is an admin, but the owner isn'= ;t in our control, potentially can do anything.
*https://vk.com/lojban - a news feed= of mw.lojban,org. under Gleki's control.
May be later I'll list more.
The = main place of activity is IRC chat #lojban and the mailing list and should = be mostly advertised.

Facebook, Google+ are all te= mporary places that IMO ultimately should lead to the IRC chat. I 'm no= t sure they will last forever. IRC chat is the most active place and only i= t should be promoted most.

  • Maintain a list of any and all activities that are happe= ning around the world. I know That there is a thriving Japanese subcommunit= y and gleki is doing a lot of work in Russia.
  • Maintain a list of al= l projects and a list of who is doing what and what state each project is i= n. How many of us know exactly where the CLL 1.1 and the Dictionary project= are.
  • The important bit here is that they will be able to both = recruit and screen volunteers from the community. I have seen many voluntee= rs in the community who want to help, but they can't because there isn&= #39;t a designated person to approach. The actual responsibilities are all = decentralized which makes it difficult for newcomers to contribute. It will= also shield actual workers from people who come on and then disappear.
    =
  • Maintain deadlines and road-maps that can be disseminated to the i= nternet and within the lojban and conlang communities and can be used to ge= t more people interested.

Also imo having a nicely formatted wiki is also important.<= /div>
For more than two years I've been preparing mw.lojban.org (the content has been c= opied from the tiki last time in April 2013 so by that time the two wikis w= ere identical except in formatting or a lack of it) but since there are mor= e than 2000 pages the work is still not finished. The tiki was out of quest= ion due to performance issues.
It'd be nice if someone else c= an join this effort.

The problem is, as I said in the opening post, tha= t right now one of our biggest problem is that people in charge of all the = projects all have day jobs and all are volunteers. Which hasn't affecte= d their work as much but it has made it difficult to communicate with other= s. Which is why a single point-of-contact can be beneficial.

The pro= blem isn't that people aren't engaged: They ARE. It's just that= all the material is scattered and the people who want to work have no sing= le recourse. The fact that we have the community split into mailing list, I= RC and facebook now doesn't help either.



Regards,
Ali Sajid Imami
= CTO

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Matt Arnol= d <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
=
What tasks would the officer perform, which would address = the reasons people are not engaged?=C2=A0

-Eppcott=C2=A0=

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <= gleki.is.my= .name@gmail.com> wrote:
= where is the list of those projects?

2014-11-25 12:26 GMT+03:00 Ali Sajid Ima= mi <ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com>:
=

My meaning was less pay than you would pay a US based person= . The problem we have is more administrative than linguistic. We need to ke= ep people engaged and all. Plus our social media presence is scattered and = if we can get all of it consolidated and active that would be in our favor = too.

On Nov 25, 2014 1:22 AM, "And Rosta" &= lt;and.rosta@gmail= .com> wrote:
Ali Sajid Imam= i, On 25/11/2014 08:50:
I can also suggest someone I know personally who would be perfect for
this role and she lives in Pakistan so we don't even have to pay her in US terms, rather in PK terms.

What are PK terms?

Could your candidate do linguistic work (such as bpfk summaries) or just ad= ministrative?

--And.


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