Received: from localhost ([::1]:49758 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xu810-0006Tp-Kj; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:58:22 -0800 Received: from mail-pd0-f181.google.com ([209.85.192.181]:50761) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xu80w-0006Tc-O4 for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:58:20 -0800 Received: by mail-pd0-f181.google.com with SMTP id v10so214981pde.40 for ; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:58:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SMzBnLLs1nWpqu4EXsVqhPLnMp2ayuxRuzjVhfBCTuA=; b=k7mYFbuEVZSzh4uBXIA6cqK2ytMdhqTfTrmmUwwPt7hAiYvNkNmItzCdVVaghh93GG 7dxqN77nWNvxb/j0Anlk5W9EozSIOD5+eR93rF4cUtsfkPSS+pgLQkX2jYAgTuuf4NX3 jWsKKifqahdr09KZswNnNTw2u5qCNuptH5G+NeRwVn86IL5rQKbMhZf0EvuQJpA8bsFZ ziXWWwgl9cbLZLu26tJJuiiOLoV/xTlcjN5MXNaxrwkLLoo2AszFjCe+t9cpup1WJ8eR hGx0cUst7Vxe72w7Pbvcp4rwNKXnxgPe/cjcRO+JM3MGa5nvdQLqB6b8veiEnqtkS9R0 /Szg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.66.120.129 with SMTP id lc1mr68181895pab.86.1417129092460; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.129.12 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:58:12 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.129.12 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Nov 2014 14:58:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <1703705.YW2RrY83V4@caracal> <1791601.oZ280FNDu3@caracal> Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 22:58:12 +0000 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2014 Annual Meeting - Motion to create a Project Manager position. X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============8200098207454725049==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============8200098207454725049== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8ffbaaab2836a70508df1480 --e89a8ffbaaab2836a70508df1480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 What would the costs be? I wonder if it would be worth trialling, if the cost is so low that it would comfortably be within LLG's meagre resources. Would your recommended candidate be able to read and write Lojban? That would seem to be a fairly essential criterion. (I can no longer read and write Lojban, and that -- pardonably -- excludes me from significant Lojban activity.) --And. On 27 Nov 2014 09:27, "Ali Sajid Imami" wrote: > Individual status of the projects aside, the way the discussion is going > now is exactly why I am suggestign that we create the position and hire a > person to do that job. > > > > Regards, > Ali Sajid Imami > CTO > Khabaristan Times > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > >> On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:04:34 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: >> > 2014-11-26 3:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : >> > > So would this officer be able to find Lojbanists, maybe in Russia or >> > > Japan, who >> > > could help with defining rating scales for the proficiency test? >> > >> > For that a dictionary and a refgram is a must imo. >> > Proficiency tests would also require fluent speakers that first time >> are to >> > be determined without any tests. Otherwise who are the judges? >> >> For now the test is only written, possibly with listening comprehension >> questions (there is nothing in the database schema yet about audio >> recordings). >> >> The dictionary isn't required except for determining level 3 on the >> fu'ivla, >> lujvo, and cmene scales (Requires knowing the meaning of a defined >> cmene/lujvo/fu'ivla). There may be a problem if the word is defined only >> in >> Japanese and the testee speaks English but not Japanese, or vice versa. >> >> Pierre >> -- >> The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --e89a8ffbaaab2836a70508df1480 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

What would the costs be? I wonder if it would be worth trial= ling, if the cost is so low that it would comfortably be within LLG's m= eagre resources.

Would your recommended candidate be able to read and write L= ojban? That would seem to be a fairly essential criterion. (I can no longer= read and write Lojban, and that -- pardonably -- excludes me from signific= ant Lojban activity.)

--And.

On 27 Nov 2014 09:27, "Ali Sajid Imami"= ; <ali.sajid.imami@gmail.co= m> wrote:
Individual status of the projects aside, the way the discu= ssion is going now is exactly why I am suggestign that we create the positi= on and hire a person to do that job.
=

Regards,
Ali Sajid Imami
CTO

On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 4:28 AM, Pierre Abba= t <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:
On Wednesday, November 26, 2014 10:04:34 Gleki Arxokuna wrot= e:
> 2014-11-26 3:33 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu>:
> > So would this officer be able to find Lojbanists, maybe in Russia= or
> > Japan, who
> > could help with defining rating scales for the proficiency test?<= br> >
> For that a dictionary and a refgram is a must imo.
> Proficiency tests would also require fluent speakers that first time a= re to
> be determined without any tests. Otherwise who are the judges?

For now the test is only written, possibly with listening compr= ehension
questions (there is nothing in the database schema yet about audio
recordings).

The dictionary isn't required except for determining level 3 on the fu&= #39;ivla,
lujvo, and cmene scales (Requires knowing the meaning of a defined
cmene/lujvo/fu'ivla). There may be a problem if the word is defined onl= y in
Japanese and the testee speaks English but not Japanese, or vice versa.

Pierre
--
The Black Garden on the Mountain is not on the Black Mountain.


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