Received: from localhost ([::1]:39606 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xypd3-0004wX-Vm; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:21:06 -0800 Received: from mail-la0-f43.google.com ([209.85.215.43]:62972) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1Xypcz-0004wP-RJ for llg-members@lojban.org; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:21:03 -0800 Received: by mail-la0-f43.google.com with SMTP id s18so3308353lam.16 for ; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:20:54 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=CRxwYeL7PSeu9IfvTF/kfaWvqkK/0BzPPLbLMSdGCfg=; b=J1krQwH6B9nXjUY5IaUIwKoceT4IZq0WAqAOpX3dPtlpARABgNdUx55WOW8dNB1mu4 gI6xHbq/OC5Gq6I7jPfqwvj2stBoWGga0NOuJ1yZEH1zwl9aChVCBTCuttqRq0CNs+Ae PsYH2cilHReJL6B6Ao2/70hUjAA4Fc+T7VcTDkIRA5N/VTFMIE3uCwf79iYQOUE/Ajwd GxZr7LhAvwv+1rb7o5QNJC0EKTdHGNnHt1Gckm+L6HADgHQTBjytx83p+7WHiylo3SDR +Z/1sFTVQ4NZHtAk404vxzlu7Q/CAdnJ3IbDwwKv1VQAcnh0fhVpQln95oIuDV+Uw4mY NMmg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.205.11 with SMTP id lc11mr6517564lac.34.1418250054420; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.70.212 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:20:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.70.212 with HTTP; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:20:54 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <380EC192-82A5-4E68-A061-6FF642511D50@gmail.com> <54811DE1.8050408@lojban.org> <54873F23.5080009@lojban.org> <548778EA.5080602@lojban.org> Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 22:20:54 +0000 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Annual Meeting - Proposal and approval of new members X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============1231980523403620894==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============1231980523403620894== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133a818b24e7a0509e412a1 --001a1133a818b24e7a0509e412a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10 Dec 2014 22:11, "And Rosta" wrote: > > I nominate Ozymandias and Ilmen for membership. Sorry, just Ilmen, I should have said: Craig already nominated Ozymandias. And > > And > > On 10 Dec 2014 03:06, "Craig Daniel" wrote: >> >> For each asterisked name on the list plus la .az., I hereby nominate that person as a member of the LLG. >> >> - .kreig. >> On Tue Dec 09 2014 at 7:14:19 PM Ozymandias Haynes < ozymandias.haynes@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> I, Oz, wish to join the Logical Language Group. >>> >>> According to the Bylaws the qualifications for membership are >>> >>> (a) competence in one or more of the fields of science or scholarship >>> listed in Article 2, above, and/or (b) high personal dedication to the >>> purposes of The Logical Language Group, Inc. as set forth in that >>> Article. >>> >>> and additionally Bob has suggested historically sufficient qualifications >>> >>> Working on a project for an extended period of time, especially >>> one requiring coordination with other lojbanists >>> Assumption of responsibility for non-language chores, such as web >>> site maintenance >>> Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanists, such as >>> presenting or teaching the language >>> Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the initiative to ask >>> for membership at a meeting >>> Participating in a meeting as a non-voting member >>> >>> I have been speaking and thinking about the language for about two >>> years now. Throughout that time I have been primarily active on >>> Twitter, along with email correspondence and instant messaging. My >>> relevant competence is in mathematics. >>> >>> According to the Bylaws, the purpose of the LLG is in part to =E2=80=9C= promote >>> the scientific study of the relationships between language, thought >>> and human culture=E2=80=9D and well as to =E2=80=9Cexperiment with such= a language; to >>> devise and promote applications for this language in fields including >>> but not limited to =E2=80=A6 philosophy, logic, mathematics...=E2=80=9D= . I have >>> completed and continue to do such work, and some of it has been posted >>> at http://blog.nomei.la/. >>> >>> In particular I have documented and offered a resolution of a logical >>> error related to the CLL definition of the universal quantifier [1], >>> which I understand is still controversial; documented and offered a >>> resolution of the mass entity antinomy which gives a clear account of >>> the differences and uses of the three plurality types [2]; and most >>> recently written an extensive analysis of sumti raising based on work >>> by Quine [3]. I am now engaged in theoretical work on the xorlo gadri >>> and am reviewing guskant=E2=80=99s plural logic analysis of them. >>> >>> Outside of work on the logical foundations of Lojban, I have been >>> using the language to pose and solve logical puzzles and prove >>> theorems with full mathematical rigor. I am currently working on a >>> series of dialogues which attempt to bring that kind of rigor to >>> nonmathematical discourse, in particular to moral and ontological >>> argument. >>> >>> I have worked with Peter Burns (also known as rktk) on a fast, >>> lightweight dictionary web app called sutsis which is hosted here >>> http://sutsis.nomei.la/. I have taught him Lojban, and have been >>> happy to answer questions on Twitter by new speakers as well as >>> generally promoting actual usage on that service. >>> >>> Thank you for your consideration. >>> >>> -Oz >>> >>> 1] See http://blog.nomei.la/the-problem-of-the-problem-of-any/ >>> 2] See http://blog.nomei.la/the-mass-entity-antinomy/ for the problem >>> itself and http://blog.nomei.la/individuals-sets-and-mass-entities-theory-and-praxis/ >>> for my resolution. >>> 3] This is more involved than the other posts, so I split it up into >>> an examination of Quine=E2=80=99s paper >>> http://blog.nomei.la/quinean-sumti-raising-theory/ and then worked out >>> application to Lojbanic expression >>> http://blog.nomei.la/quinean-sumti-raising-praxis/ >>> >>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder >>> - LLG wrote: >>> > The next order of business is the proposal of any new members, which takes >>> > place prior to the election of the Board of Directors. >>> > >>> > Here is what is written on the web site regarding the qualifications for >>> > membership. >>> > >>> >> According to the bylaws, "persons may be named members upon recommendation >>> >> for membership by any member and by election by a majority of all th= e >>> >> members of the Corporation, in person or by proxy." >>> >> The bylaws specify the following qualifications: >>> >> >>> >> competence in fields including linguistics, psychology, philosophy, >>> >> logic, mathematics, computer science, anthropology, sociology, education, >>> >> and human biology >>> >> high personal dedication to the purposes of The Logical Language Group >>> >> as specified in the bylaws >>> >> >>> >> At the 2011 annual meeting, lojbab proposed the following criteria b= y >>> >> which prospective members may be deemed eligible to join the organization as >>> >> voting members: >>> >> >>> >> Working on a project for an extended period of time, especially one >>> >> requiring coordination with other lojbanists >>> >> Assumption of responsibility for non-language chores, such as web site >>> >> maintenance >>> >> Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanists, such as presenting >>> >> or teaching the language >>> >> Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the initiative to ask for >>> >> membership at a meeting >>> >> Participating in a meeting as a non-voting member >>> > >>> > >>> > For many years, merely showing up at a meeting was enough to warrant >>> > inviting someone to become a member. But then we had a period where people >>> > would show up at a meeting, become a member, and then lose interest/activity >>> > over the following year. We got to the point where we had trouble achieving >>> > quorum at meetings. We then went to the opposite extreme, and dissuaded >>> > people from becoming members UNLESS they were explicitly interested in the >>> > organizational or business aspects of the language community. For the most >>> > part, it was presumed that language design decisions would be made by the >>> > BPFK or some successor thereof. >>> > >>> > Language skill is not required, though welcomed. A movement towards >>> > requiring such competency and/or conducting meetings at least partially in >>> > Lojban appeared and then died before the following meeting. Robin Powell, >>> > who was one of the leaders of that movement, can speak as to the reasons he >>> > has since changed his mind. >>> > >>> > The following are non-members who have reported as being present at the >>> > meeting. If asterisked, then I know them to have previously expresse= d >>> > interest in becoming a voting member of LLG. >>> > >>> > *Jacob Errington (tsani) >>> > *Alex Burka (durka) >>> > *Riley Martinez-Lynch (mukti) >>> > *Mitsuko Wate (guskant) >>> > Ozymandias Haynes (az) >>> > *Miles Forster (selpa'i) >>> > *Adam Lopresto (xalbo) >>> > Andrew Browne (dersaidin) >>> > Sylvain D=C3=A9jardin (ilmen) >>> > *Arkadii Balandin (gleki) >>> > >>> > Any of those without an asterisk who now wish to become members shoul= d >>> > indicate their desire *now*. Anyone, member or non-member may nominate >>> > someone not present to be invited into membership. If they respond quickly >>> > and join the meeting, the invitees also can become members, though commonly >>> > they are provisional until contacted after the meeting, and don't assume >>> > formal membership until the following year. >>> > >>> > ---------------------------------------- >>> > >>> > I will now hear motions to nominate any/all of the asterisked attendees to >>> > become members, or separate motions to nominate anyone else. Any suc= h >>> > motion may be seconded without waiting for my acknowledgement. I will allow >>> > at least until the end of the day Friday (2359 UT 12/12) for such motions. >>> > >>> > Debate on any nomination is in order after it is seconded. >>> > >>> > lojbab >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Llg-members mailing list >>> > Llg-members@lojban.org >>> > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> --001a1133a818b24e7a0509e412a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 10 Dec 2014 22:11, "And Rosta" <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I nominate Ozymandias and Ilmen for membership.

Sorry, just Ilmen, I should have said: Craig already nominat= ed Ozymandias.

And
>
> And
>
> On 10 Dec 2014 03:06, "Craig Daniel" <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> For each asterisked name on the list plus la .az., I hereby nomina= te that person as a member of the LLG.
>>
>> =C2=A0- .kreig.
>> On Tue Dec 09 2014 at 7:14:19 PM Ozymandias Haynes <ozymandias.haynes@gmail.com> wro= te:
>>>
>>> I, Oz, wish to join the Logical Language Group.
>>>
>>> According to the Bylaws the qualifications for membership are<= br> >>>
>>> (a) competence in one or more of the fields of science or scho= larship
>>> listed in Article 2, above, and/or (b) high personal dedicatio= n to the
>>> purposes of The Logical Language Group, Inc. as set forth in t= hat
>>> Article.
>>>
>>> and additionally Bob has suggested historically sufficient qua= lifications
>>>
>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Working on a project for an extended period of t= ime, especially
>>> one requiring coordination with other lojbanists
>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Assumption of responsibility for non-language ch= ores, such as web
>>> site maintenance
>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Activity promoting lojban or recruiting lojbanis= ts, such as
>>> presenting or teaching the language
>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Being familiar with the bylaws, and taking the i= nitiative to ask
>>> for membership at a meeting
>>> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Participating in a meeting as a non-voting membe= r
>>>
>>> I have been speaking and thinking about the language for about= two
>>> years now.=C2=A0 Throughout that time I have been primarily ac= tive on
>>> Twitter, along with email correspondence and instant messaging= .=C2=A0 My
>>> relevant competence is in mathematics.
>>>
>>> According to the Bylaws, the purpose of the LLG is in part to = =E2=80=9Cpromote
>>> the scientific study of the relationships between language, th= ought
>>> and human culture=E2=80=9D and well as to =E2=80=9Cexperiment = with such a language; to
>>> devise and promote applications for this language in fields in= cluding
>>> but not limited to =E2=80=A6 philosophy, logic, mathematics...= =E2=80=9D.=C2=A0 I have
>>> completed and continue to do such work, and some of it has bee= n posted
>>> at http://blog.nomei.la/= .
>>>
>>> In particular I have documented and offered a resolution of a = logical
>>> error related to the CLL definition of the universal quantifie= r [1],
>>> which I understand is still controversial; documented and offe= red a
>>> resolution of the mass entity antinomy which gives a clear acc= ount of
>>> the differences and uses of the three plurality types [2]; and= most
>>> recently written an extensive analysis of sumti raising based = on work
>>> by Quine [3].=C2=A0 I am now engaged in theoretical work on th= e xorlo gadri
>>> and am reviewing guskant=E2=80=99s plural logic analysis of th= em.
>>>
>>> Outside of work on the logical foundations of Lojban, I have b= een
>>> using the language to pose and solve logical puzzles and prove=
>>> theorems with full mathematical rigor.=C2=A0 I am currently wo= rking on a
>>> series of dialogues which attempt to bring that kind of rigor = to
>>> nonmathematical discourse, in particular to moral and ontologi= cal
>>> argument.
>>>
>>> I have worked with Peter Burns (also known as rktk) on a fast,=
>>> lightweight dictionary web app called sutsis which is hosted h= ere
>>> http://sutsis.nomei.la/.=C2=A0 I have taught him Lojban, and have been
>>> happy to answer questions on Twitter by new speakers as well a= s
>>> generally promoting actual usage on that service.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your consideration.
>>>
>>> -Oz
>>>
>>> 1] See http://blog.nomei.la/the-problem-of-the-problem-of-any/ >>> 2] See http://blog.nomei.la/the-mass-entity-antinomy/ for the problem
>>> itself and http://blog.nomei.la/individuals-sets-a= nd-mass-entities-theory-and-praxis/
>>> for my resolution.
>>> 3] This is more involved than the other posts, so I split it u= p into
>>> an examination of Quine=E2=80=99s paper
>>> http://blog.nomei.la/quinean-sumti-raising-theory/ and then worked out=
>>> application to Lojbanic expression
>>> http://blog.nomei.la/quinean-sumti-raising-praxis/
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Bob LeChevalier, President and= Founder
>>> - LLG <lojbab@lojban.o= rg> wrote:
>>> > The next order of business is the proposal of any new mem= bers, which takes
>>> > place prior to the election of the Board of Directors. >>> >
>>> > Here is what is written on the web site regarding the qua= lifications for
>>> > membership.
>>> >
>>> >> According to the bylaws, "persons may be named m= embers upon recommendation
>>> >> for membership by any member and by election by a maj= ority of all the
>>> >> members of the Corporation, in person or by proxy.&qu= ot;
>>> >> The bylaws specify the following qualifications:
>>> >>
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0competence in fields including lin= guistics, psychology, philosophy,
>>> >> logic, mathematics, computer science, anthropology, s= ociology, education,
>>> >> and human biology
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0high personal dedication to the pu= rposes of The Logical Language Group
>>> >> as specified in the bylaws
>>> >>
>>> >> At the 2011 annual meeting, lojbab proposed the follo= wing criteria by
>>> >> which prospective members may be deemed eligible to j= oin the organization as
>>> >> voting members:
>>> >>
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Working on a project for an extend= ed period of time, especially one
>>> >> requiring coordination with other lojbanists
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Assumption of responsibility for n= on-language chores, such as web site
>>> >> maintenance
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Activity promoting lojban or recru= iting lojbanists, such as presenting
>>> >> or teaching the language
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Being familiar with the bylaws, an= d taking the initiative to ask for
>>> >> membership at a meeting
>>> >>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Participating in a meeting as a no= n-voting member
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > For many years, merely showing up at a meeting was enough= to warrant
>>> > inviting someone to become a member.=C2=A0 But then we ha= d a period where people
>>> > would show up at a meeting, become a member, and then los= e interest/activity
>>> > over the following year.=C2=A0 We got to the point where = we had trouble achieving
>>> > quorum at meetings.=C2=A0 We then went to the opposite ex= treme, and dissuaded
>>> > people from becoming members UNLESS they were explicitly = interested in the
>>> > organizational or business aspects of the language commun= ity.=C2=A0 For the most
>>> > part, it was presumed that language design decisions woul= d be made by the
>>> > BPFK or some successor thereof.
>>> >
>>> > Language skill is not required, though welcomed.=C2=A0 A = movement towards
>>> > requiring such competency and/or conducting meetings at l= east partially in
>>> > Lojban appeared and then died before the following meetin= g.=C2=A0 Robin Powell,
>>> > who was one of the leaders of that movement, can speak as= to the reasons he
>>> > has since changed his mind.
>>> >
>>> > The following are non-members who have reported as being = present at the
>>> > meeting.=C2=A0 If asterisked, then I know them to have pr= eviously expressed
>>> > interest in becoming a voting member of LLG.
>>> >
>>> > *Jacob Errington (tsani)
>>> > *Alex Burka (durka)
>>> > *Riley Martinez-Lynch (mukti)
>>> > *Mitsuko Wate (guskant)
>>> > Ozymandias Haynes (az)
>>> > *Miles Forster (selpa'i)
>>> > *Adam Lopresto (xalbo)
>>> > Andrew Browne (dersaidin)
>>> > Sylvain D=C3=A9jardin (ilmen)
>>> > *Arkadii Balandin (gleki)
>>> >
>>> > Any of those without an asterisk who now wish to become m= embers should
>>> > indicate their desire *now*.=C2=A0 Anyone, member or non-= member may nominate
>>> > someone not present to be invited into membership.=C2=A0 = If they respond quickly
>>> > and join the meeting, the invitees also can become member= s, though commonly
>>> > they are provisional until contacted after the meeting, a= nd don't assume
>>> > formal membership until the following year.
>>> >
>>> > ----------------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > I will now hear motions to nominate any/all of the asteri= sked attendees to
>>> > become members, or separate motions to nominate anyone el= se.=C2=A0 Any such
>>> > motion may be seconded without waiting for my acknowledge= ment.=C2=A0 I will allow
>>> > at least until the end of the day Friday (2359 UT 12/12) = for such motions.
>>> >
>>> > Debate on any nomination is in order after it is seconded= .
>>> >
>>> > lojbab
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > _______________________________________________
>>> > Llg-members mailing list
>>> > Llg-members@loj= ban.org
>>> > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Llg-members mailing list
>>> Llg-members@lojban.o= rg
>>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Llg-members mailing list
>> Llg-members@lojban.org
>> ht= tp://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members
>>

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