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Content preview: 2015-01-10 18:35 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG < : > I have seen no motion regarding Robin's report on CLL republication. > > Could someone make a motion indicating > 1) a vote of confidence in Robin's decision-making with respect to the > process of CLL republication (CLL 1.1), including those items that he asked > about > 2) authorizing expenditures up to some maximum by Robin or his delegatees > for such republication, without need for approval of each such expenditure, > up to some specified limit (I suggest $1000 to $2000 based on Robin's > report), with a final report of such expenditures submitted to the Board. > [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in gmail.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. 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How much money Robin asked for in his post - I have no objections to that. > > Proceeding with the meeting. > > Not to be included in such a motion, but worthy of discussion (after > dealing with the motion), would be > 1) if/how we want to advertise and/or promote the new release > 2) whether the Lojban intro book needs to be amended or updated > 3) whether we want to seek to publish Nick Nicholas/Robin Turner's > textbook via Lightning Source, and whether it needs to be amended/updated > (probably at least to include xorlo) > 4) what will be the next step(s) following CLL 1.1, recognizing that Robin > has indicated his intent to step down as jatna following that > republication. This implicitly includes deciding what (if any) will be the > future of the byfy, which is clearly not working as intended in the motion > that created it (there is no clear membership at this point and will soon > be no leader) > > Any/all of these topics are open for discussion at this time. > > Depending on how much discussion is desired on the topic of CLL and the > future of byfy, I will suggest that we set up a live discussion on IRC at > some fixed time. Because of the enormous range of time zones included in > the membership, and the especial need to make sure Robin can participate, I > am suggesting this live discussion take place on a Sunday. I am proposing > 18 January at 8am Pacific Time, which I think is 3PM UT, and lasting for > 2-3 hours maximum (if more is needed, additional discussions can be > scheduled). i'll try to be there. > This may still not be good for Ali or Oz, but I think that any time good > for them will inherently be bad for others. > > Any motions which emerge from a live discussion will be decided as part of > the regular order, via email, so as to make sure that no members are > excluded from actual decisions. > > Note that we are not waiting until such a discussion period - discussion > of these topics can start immediately, but a live session may shorten the > needed discussion time enormously because of real time response. > > lojbab > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --047d7bfcef3a3b8f14050c5b150a Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-01-10 18:35 GMT+03:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG= <lojbab@lojban.org>:
I ha= ve seen no motion regarding Robin's report on CLL republication.

Could someone make a motion indicating
1) a vote of confidence in Robin's decision-making with respect to the = process of CLL republication (CLL 1.1), including those items that he asked= about
2) authorizing expenditures up to some maximum by Robin or his delegatees f= or such republication, without need for approval of each such expenditure, = up to some specified limit (I suggest $1000 to $2000 based on Robin's r= eport), with a final report of such expenditures submitted to the Board.

O have no objections to spending that mon= ey. How much money Robin asked for in his post - I have no objections to th= at.
=C2=A0

Proceeding with the meeting.

Not to be included in such a motion, but worthy of discussion (after dealin= g with the motion), would be
1) if/how we want to advertise and/or promote the new release
2) whether the Lojban intro book needs to be amended or updated
3) whether we want to seek to publish Nick Nicholas/Robin Turner's text= book via Lightning Source, and whether it needs to be amended/updated (prob= ably at least to include xorlo)
4) what will be the next step(s) following CLL 1.1, recognizing that Robin = has indicated his intent to step down as jatna following that republication= .=C2=A0 This implicitly includes deciding what (if any) will be the future = of the byfy, which is clearly not working as intended in the motion that cr= eated it (there is no clear membership at this point and will soon be no le= ader)

Any/all of these topics are open for discussion at this time.

Depending on how much discussion is desired on the topic of CLL and the fut= ure of byfy, I will suggest that we set up a live discussion on IRC at some= fixed time.=C2=A0 Because of the enormous range of time zones included in = the membership, and the especial need to make sure Robin can participate, I= am suggesting this live discussion take place on a Sunday.=C2=A0 I am prop= osing 18 January at 8am Pacific Time, which I think is 3PM UT, and lasting = for 2-3 hours maximum (if more is needed, additional discussions can be sch= eduled).

i'll try to be there.
=C2=A0
=C2=A0 This may still not be g= ood for Ali or Oz, but I think that any time good for them will inherently = be bad for others.

Any motions which emerge from a live discussion will be decided as part of = the regular order, via email, so as to make sure that no members are exclud= ed from actual decisions.

Note that we are not waiting until such a discussion period - discussion of= these topics can start immediately, but a live session may shorten the nee= ded discussion time enormously because of real time response.

lojbab

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