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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: 2015-01-19 4:48 GMT+03:00 Robin Lee Powell : > On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 07:28:19PM +0300, Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > Here I put for voting changing the official wiki (based on tiki > > engine running from lojban.org) to another wiki based on mediawiki > > engine. > > It's fascinating to me that you think voting is relevant. This is a > task that entirely depends on finding people to do the actual work; > voting has nothing to do with anything. > [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. 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This is a > task that entirely depends on finding people to do the actual work; > voting has nothing to do with anything. > Mukti said he could help with migrating. > > > How we can migrate? > > > > 1. The content of the wiki has already been copied to the new wiki > > in April 2013. > > This is, for the record, the first I've heard of this. > > It would have been nice to hear about it at the time, so we could > have transitioned before they started drifting. > > > The changes in the older wiki are not numerous. They can be easily > > integrated (for example, by me (=la gleki) on your request) in a > > matter of weeks with their formatting improved. > > I don't know what this means, can you rephrase? > I mean since April 2013 there's been some amount of edits to the tiki that are clearly not reflected in the mediawiki. I will need some time to manually check them to update the mediawiki. So since you approve of the migration I will start the updating data in the mediawiki today. I will inform you when it is finished. > > 2. LLG asks the Treasurer and the Webmaster to move the wiki to a > > faster server (determined by the Webmaster) with hyperlinks to the > > new wiki corrected to lojban.org. > > Yeah, no. I can move the mediawiki portion to jukni, which will > probably speed it up, but I don't have the time to build a whole new > server. Feel free to get someone else to build it and ship it to > me, if you like. > > > 3. /tiki/ addresses will be redirected to the new wiki so that we > > don't get Error 404, the latter is something not very pleasant in > > e-marketing. > > Sure. > > > 4. The old wiki will be redirected to another address so that > > those who still wish to read it can do that. This step is also > > required to transfer changes from April 2013 to the new wiki. > > We'd need to turn it off at some point; tiki is a huge resource hog, > and mediawiki is not much better. Trying to run them both at once > is terrible, and should stop. > Okay then. > > > Now you can vote. > > Unless the vote comes with someone besides me who is actually going > to do the work, I don't see the point. I'm perfectly happy to > support the move, and indeed now that I know that the data has been > trasferred I think it's a great idea and I wish we'd done it ages > ago. but no amount of LLG voting will alter my behaviour on this > issue in any fashion. > > If, on the other hand, you *can* find someone who will actually do > the work, that would make me ecstatically happy. I will give > relevant access and teaching to anyone who is not obviously > incompetent. > > -- > http://intelligence.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. > .i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u .e > lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e lu go'i na'i li'u .e > lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mamta be do cu sofybakni > li'u > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --047d7b5d8a11283841050cfb6c22 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-01-19 4:48 GMT+03:00 Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digital= kingdom.org>:
On Sun, Jan 18, 2015 at 07:28:19PM +0300, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> Here I put for voting changing the official wiki (based on tiki
> engine running from lo= jban.org) to another wiki based on mediawiki
> engine.

It's fascinating to me that you think voting is relevant.=C2=A0 = This is a
task that entirely depends on finding people to do the actual work;
voting has nothing to do with anything.

Mukti said he could help with migrating.
=C2=A0

> How we can migrate?
>
> 1. The content of the wiki has already been copied to the new wiki
> in April 2013.

This is, for the record, the first I've heard of this.

It would have been nice to hear about it at the time, so we could
have transitioned before they started drifting.

> The changes in the older wiki are not numerous. They can be easily
> integrated (for example, by me (=3Dla gleki) on your request) in a
> matter of weeks with their formatting improved.

I don't know what this means, can you rephrase?
=

I mean since April 2013 there's been some amount of= edits to the tiki that are clearly not reflected in the mediawiki. I will = need some time to manually check them to update the mediawiki.
So since you approve of the migration I will start the updatin= g data in the mediawiki today. I will inform you when it is finished.
=


> 2. LLG asks the Treasurer and the Webmaster to move the wiki to a
> faster server (determined by the Webmaster) with hyperlinks to the
> new wiki corrected to = lojban.org.

Yeah, no.=C2=A0 I can move the mediawiki portion to jukni, which wil= l
probably speed it up, but I don't have the time to build a whole new server.=C2=A0 Feel free to get someone else to build it and ship it to
me, if you like.

> 3. /tiki/ addresses will be redirected to the new wiki so that we
> don't get Error 404, the latter is something not very pleasant in<= br> > e-marketing.

Sure.

> 4. The old wiki will be redirected to another address so that
> those who still wish to read it can do that. This step is also
> required to transfer changes from April 2013 to the new wiki.

We'd need to turn it off at some point; tiki is a huge resource = hog,
and mediawiki is not much better.=C2=A0 Trying to run them both at once
is terrible, and should stop.

Okay then= .
=C2=A0

> Now you can vote.

Unless the vote comes with someone besides me who is actually going
to do the work, I don't see the point.=C2=A0 I'm perfectly happy to=
support the move, and indeed now that I know that the data has been
trasferred I think it's a great idea and I wish we'd done it ages ago. but no amount of LLG voting will alter my behaviour on this
issue in any fashion.

If, on the other hand, you *can* find someone who will actually do
the work, that would make me ecstatically happy.=C2=A0 I will give
relevant access and teaching to anyone who is not obviously
incompetent.

--
http://intelligence.= org/ :=C2=A0 Our last, best hope for a fantastic future.
.i ko na cpedu lo nu stidi vau loi jbopre .i dafsku lu na go'i li'u= .e
lu go'i li'u .i ji'a go'i lu na'e go'i li'u .e = lu go'i na'i li'u .e
lu no'e go'i li'u .e lu to'e go'i li'u .e lu lo mam= ta be do cu sofybakni li'u

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