Received: from localhost ([::1]:52142 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YDFoE-0005JM-VY; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:08:15 -0800 Received: from mail-lb0-f177.google.com ([209.85.217.177]:61083) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1:RC4-SHA:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YDFoC-0005JG-Pz for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:08:13 -0800 Received: by mail-lb0-f177.google.com with SMTP id p9so5950595lbv.8 for ; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:08:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=FaFedwQwS3mn4W0xGKQ6tgqZtMK0jzV3VuO1Lk/H/ww=; b=f919CqBtvF/nDLOimvSh9w9m569qDJ+5eJEIi9r0mKbU3uZLzWIjLB7sXlsGL3lfv1 slhNzNWU8Z9wCQnOGOj2L4+X0eqkOZvfGVVQCY0L+diF6NXRqW8bHC5GJFwOTkUBVs8S /Vj4qHzLrE5a3CFd/VTc3Tc3Fx/O2Q6XA7ErzzRuwAvg/qJERXx6/PhBCQ/UA3tm+x1t 5El3Rg1X3hIb7f8S2X7BiGeH+urhczZLoPy5ssBH36hJBI34bSjYP/7HP4rS+5Ax5hxo rKGmBZ2FR3xWBKdD1cHpBK3qYAT9ZyIWlaiYIfhbXKevO3pOza6+qHsVLR3sWb5zcWcB RrCA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.25.129 with SMTP id c1mr33323105lag.65.1421687284935; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.70.212 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:08:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.114.70.212 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jan 2015 09:08:04 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: <0CD5A578A47549238B8B046A01B8846C@gmail.com> <54BCF147.1080803@lojban.org> <54BCFC70.2010805@selpahi.de> Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:08:04 +0000 Message-ID: From: And Rosta To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam_score: 0.7 X-Spam_score_int: 7 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "stodi.digitalkingdom.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: On 19 Jan 2015 16:52, "guskant" wrote: > A language consists of only sequences of symbols regulated by a > grammar, I think this is untrue. It's unclear what symbols are or whether grammar contains them, but grammar doesn't primarily regulate symbols; nor is there any x such that a language consists of only sequences of x. (I'm open to bring persuaded otherwise, mind.) [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in gmail.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. IN] [A] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [209.85.217.177 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (and.rosta[at]gmail.com) 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature -0.1 DKIM_VALID_AU Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders Subject: Re: [Llg-members] nu ningau so'u se jbovlaste / updating a few jbovlaste entries X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5968365158385868333==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5968365158385868333== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0160bcb499b14d050d045d3b --089e0160bcb499b14d050d045d3b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On 19 Jan 2015 16:52, "guskant" wrote: > A language consists of only sequences of symbols regulated by a > grammar, I think this is untrue. It's unclear what symbols are or whether grammar contains them, but grammar doesn't primarily regulate symbols; nor is there any x such that a language consists of only sequences of x. (I'm open to bring persuaded otherwise, mind.) This is all of no relevance to the present discussion, but in the larger picture of loglanging the question of what a language is (and how known languages work) is very important. --And. --089e0160bcb499b14d050d045d3b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On 19 Jan 2015 16:52, "guskant" <gusni.kantu@gmail.com> wrote:
> A language consists of only sequences of symbols regulated by a
> grammar,

I think this is untrue. It's unclear what symbols are or= whether grammar contains them, but grammar doesn't primarily regulate = symbols; nor is there any x such that a language consists of only sequences= of x. (I'm open to bring persuaded otherwise, mind.)

This is all of no relevance to the present discussion, but i= n the larger picture of loglanging the question of what a language is (and = how known languages work) is very important.

--And.

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