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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Would you be open to a friendly amendment further granting the BPFK and/or its chair the ability to alter the details of the interim baseline protocol? The current version's intent is something I still stand behind and suspect much of the LLG does too - if the BPFK feels that something needs to be changed *now*, and its members are in strong agreement about this fact, the proposal can be presented to the LLG membership for ratification as interim baseline, but it should requires near consensus among those doing BPFK work and acceptance from the members in general. However, as currently written it's literally impossible, because the current version reflects BPFK procedures as they existed when it was written, because in writing the wording that ultimately got passed I failed to take into account the fluidity of those rules (which were set up by the jatna and could always be changed by the jatna). I want to fix this fact, because I want the BPFK to have the power to do whatever it's clear they have to. [...] Content analysis details: (0.7 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: lojban.org] 2.7 DNS_FROM_AHBL_RHSBL RBL: Envelope sender listed in dnsbl.ahbl.org [listed in gmail.com.rhsbl.ahbl.org. 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The current version's intent is something I still stand behind and suspect much of the LLG does too - if the BPFK feels that something needs to be changed *now*, and its members are in strong agreement about this fact, the proposal can be presented to the LLG membership for ratification as interim baseline, but it should requires near consensus among those doing BPFK work and acceptance from the members in general. However, as currently written it's literally impossible, because the current version reflects BPFK procedures as they existed when it was written, because in writing the wording that ultimately got passed I failed to take into account the fluidity of those rules (which were set up by the jatna and could always be changed by the jatna). I want to fix this fact, because I want the BPFK to have the power to do whatever it's clear they have to. - .kreig. On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 3:33:21 PM Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas wrote: > On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Riley Martinez-Lynch > wrote: > >> >> I'd welcome a second, amendments friendly or otherwise, and discussion. >> > > I second the motion. > > mi'e xorxes > > >> ---- >> >> Motion: BPFK REAUTHORIZATION >> >> LLG hereby recommissions BPFK (a.k.a. "banpla fuzykamni", "baupla fuzyka= mni", "byfy") as a standing committee with the charge of improving and main= taining formal descriptions of Lojban, elaborating undocumented and under-d= ocumented language features, resolving inconsistencies and errors in existi= ng documentation, and responding to issues that arise in usage. >> >> BPFK is expressly empowered to determine its own decision-making process= and pursue its own agenda within the scope of its charge as specified in t= his charter. >> >> BPFK is authorized to propose standards for the lojban language which ma= y include lists of words, definitions in various languages, human or mechan= ical specifications of the grammar, and instructional or reference texts. B= PFK may develop standards documents or recognize documents which have been = developed by other bodies or individuals. >> >> Standard documents may be reported to the Annual Meeting for ratificatio= n by a two-thirds majority of the general membership. Once ratified, these = may be described as "official standards" of LLG. When the Annual Meeting is= not in session, BPFK may seek Board approval of standards, which upon such= approval, may be described as "interim standards". >> >> Upon adoption of this policy, the Annual Meeting of LLG membership will = hold an election for the office of chair of BPFK. Henceforth, BPFK may, in = its annual report to the membership, nominate a candidate to serve a subseq= uent term as chair. If such a candidate is reported, LLG membership will ho= ld a vote of confidence requiring a simple majority to confirm the nominati= on. If no candidate is nominated by BPFK, or if the nominated candidate is = not confirmed by the membership, an open election will be held by LLG membe= rship. At no time will membership in LLG or BPFK be considered a requiremen= t for the position of chair of BPFK. >> >> The natural term of the office of chair of BPFK will begin at the time o= f the confirmation or election at the Annual Meeting and extend to the conf= irmation or election of a chair at the subsequent Annual Meeting, or to the= adjournment of that meeting if no chair is elected or confirmed. Should th= e chair become vacant for any reason while the Annual Meeting is not in ses= sion, the Board may ask the committee to nominate an interim chair to serve= the balance of the term. Should the committee fail to forward a nominee, o= r should more than one nominee be forwarded, the Board reserves the discret= ion to appoint an interim chair. >> >> In the case that the Annual Meeting of LLG membership fails to confirm o= r elect a chair, the committee will be considered suspended until such a ti= me as an interim chair is appointed by the Board, or until the election of = a new chair at a subsequent Annual Meeting. >> >> In the case that policies specified in this document are found to contra= dict policies previously established by LLG or its Board of Directors, the = policies in this document should be held to supplant the previous policies. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> >> _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --001a113ac3aef57429050e20fd10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Would you be open to a friendly amendment further granting the BPFK and/or = its chair the ability to alter the details of the interim baseline protocol= ?

The current version's intent is something I still = stand behind and suspect much of the LLG does too - if the BPFK feels that = something needs to be changed *now*, and its members are in strong agreemen= t about this fact, the proposal can be presented to the LLG membership for = ratification as interim baseline, but it should requires near consensus amo= ng those doing BPFK work and acceptance from the members in general. Howeve= r, as currently written it's literally impossible, because the current = version reflects BPFK procedures as they existed when it was written, becau= se in writing the wording that ultimately got passed I failed to take into = account the fluidity of those rules (which were set up by the jatna and cou= ld always be changed by the jatna). I want to fix this fact, because I want= the BPFK to have the power to do whatever it's clear they have to.
=

=C2=A0- .kreig.

On Mon Feb 02 2015 at 3:33:21 PM Jorge Llamb=C3=ADas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Feb 1, 2015 at 6:49 PM, Riley Martinez-Lynch <s= hunpiker@gmail.com> wrote:
=

I'd welcome a s= econd, amendments friendly or otherwise, and discussion.

I second the motion.

mi'e xorxes
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Mot=
ion: BPFK REAUTHORIZATION
LLG hereby recommissions BPFK (a.k.a. "banpla fuzykamni&q=
uot;, "baupla fuzykamni", "byfy") as a standing committ=
ee with the charge of improving and maintaining formal descriptions of Lojb=
an, elaborating undocumented and under-documented language features, resolv=
ing inconsistencies and errors in existing documentation, and responding to=
 issues that arise in usage.

BPFK is expressly empowered to determine its own decision-making process an=
d pursue its own agenda within the scope of its charge as specified in this=
 charter.

BPFK is authorized to propose standards for the lojban language which may i=
nclude lists of words, definitions in various languages, human or mechanica=
l specifications of the grammar, and instructional or reference texts. BPFK=
 may develop standards documents or recognize documents which have been dev=
eloped by other bodies or individuals.

Standard documents may be reported to the Annual Meeting for ratification b=
y a two-thirds majority of the general membership. Once ratified, these may=
 be described as "official standards" of LLG. When the Annual Mee=
ting is not in session, BPFK may seek Board approval of standards, which up=
on such approval, may be described as "interim standards".

Upon adoption of this policy, the Annual Meeting of LLG membership will hol=
d an election for the office of chair of BPFK. Henceforth, BPFK may, in its=
 annual report to the membership, nominate a candidate to serve a subsequen=
t term as chair. If such a candidate is reported, LLG membership will hold =
a vote of confidence requiring a simple majority to confirm the nomination.=
 If no candidate is nominated by BPFK, or if the nominated candidate is not=
 confirmed by the membership, an open election will be held by LLG membersh=
ip. At no time will membership in LLG or BPFK be considered a requirement f=
or the position of chair of BPFK.

The natural term of the office of chair of BPFK will begin at the time of t=
he confirmation or election at the Annual Meeting and extend to the confirm=
ation or election of a chair at the subsequent Annual Meeting, or to the ad=
journment of that meeting if no chair is elected or confirmed. Should the c=
hair become vacant for any reason while the Annual Meeting is not in sessio=
n, the Board may ask the committee to nominate an interim chair to serve th=
e balance of the term. Should the committee fail to forward a nominee, or s=
hould more than one nominee be forwarded, the Board reserves the discretion=
 to appoint an interim chair.

In the case that the Annual Meeting of LLG membership fails to confirm or e=
lect a chair, the committee will be considered suspended until such a time =
as an interim chair is appointed by the Board, or until the election of a n=
ew chair at a subsequent Annual Meeting.

In the case that policies specified in this document are found to contradic=
t policies previously established by LLG or its Board of Directors, the pol=
icies in this document should be held to supplant the previous policies.

_______________________________________________
Llg-members mailing list
Llg-members@loj= ban.org
http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members

_______________________________________________
Llg-members mailing list
Llg-members@loj= ban.org
http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members
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