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On 3/31/2015 2:01 PM, Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
>     Dealt with in a separate message.
>
>         2) Last Sunday, gleki, Ilmen and I, with apparently selpa'i
>         listening
>         only, had a patched Skype conversation with a Brian Wernham of a
>         company
>         called NooLearn in the UK, and his assistant.  They are
>         interested in
>         alpha-testing of their software system with a group of
>         Lojbanists, which
>         will hopefully create some sort of on-line Lojban courseware (MOOC
>         platform (MOOC = Massive Open Online Course)), which would be made
>         available to us (and others) under a Creative Commons license.  The
>         alpha-test would probably involve getting some number of Lojbanists
>         together in one place for a half-day closed-room effort at
>         testing/using
>         the system, and I think there will be additional online testing that
>         people can help asynchronously.
>
>         One suggestion was to have this take place as part of LogFest,
>         which I
>         understand Pierre is putting together for July either in New York or
>         possibly at my place here in Washington DC (or perhaps at a nearby
>         hotel, which might be necessary in order to support their test).  I
>         believe that the organization would be paying for any special
>         needs, and
>         might be willing to assist a few people in getting to the test
>         location.
>            Another possibility would be to get European Lojbanists
>         together in
>         some single locale for the testing.
>
>         So in New Business, we will discuss whether the membership
>         wishes LLG to
>         support this effort, and whether LogFest is the best time for
>         getting
>         together (or whether this might too-seriously disrupt the
>         ability for
>         other activities).   I believe I have a little more information,
>         but we
>         may have to ask the nooLearn group some questions.
>
>     Gleki posted on this and seems to think that we do not know enough
>     to discuss it, so this may have to be passed to the Board for
>     resolution.
>
> I'm surprised to hear that any such activity has to be supported by
> resolutions. People have been making decks of flashcards in Anki,
> Memrise and what preceded them for a long time.

 From what I understand, they are asking us to set up some sort of 
gathering wherein they can alpha-test their system with multiple users. 
  If the meeting is in the US, they presumably have to fly someone over 
here to run the test, and possibly aiding travel costs for Lojbanists 
who attended, and thus are talking about spending fair amount of money. 
  I could not justifiably offer any support, unless I had the sense that 
the community was willing and interested in actually supporting this test.

I could be wrong about this, if that is not what you understood.

>         We will need to make call for contribution in every possible
>         community.
>         La gleki can make contact with communities in Russia.
>         I can do it with communities in PRC and those in Japan.
>         A community in HongKong/Taiwan is very open to the rest of the
>         world,
>         and everyone has access to it.
>         Possibly there are communities in Pakistan. Besides Ali, I have a
>         Pakistani friend who learns Lojban.
>         Moreover, I recently found someone speaks on Lojban in Arabic, and
>         there might be going to be born an Arabic speakers' community in
>         near
>         future:
>         https://youtu.be/kBr6U0U4XYQ
>
>
>     Again, there has been no discussion.  Is there interest among the
>     membership?
>
> Looks like magazines are declining in their popularity in general. That
> can explain why people aren't very interested in them.

Print magazine, I agree.  I think guskant was talking about some sort of 
edited or curated website (which might have a printable form, but that 
isn't the main thing).  The important thing is to give different 
isolated Lojban communities a means of informing and possibly 
interacting.  The mailing list could be used for this, but a website is 
durable and would be focused on the specific goal of cross-pollination 
between groups that otherwise are not currently interacting, and 
possibly not even aware that the others exist.

If I were to travel to Russia, it might be nice if I could find the 
Lojbanists there and meet them.  If we are choosing a location for a 
LogFest, it would be nice to contact the communities of Lojbanists 
located near the meeting place.  At one time, I did this latter function 
myself using the snail mail addresses I had collected from the 
community, so I had some 30+ people to contact in the San Francisco area 
when I traveled there on personal business.  No doubt that number could 
be doubled if we had kept up the data.

But people are unlikely to be interested in geographical groups, unless 
they have some function in themselves, which could include local 
face-to-face meet-ups for learning and using the language.

There also might be groups organized around a subject-area.  translation 
of literature into Lojban, development of artificial intelligence tools 
using Lojban, etc.

But right now most important are groupings of Lojbanists who have native 
languages other than English, and hence have little opportunity to 
connect to the English speaking Lojban world that dominates the mailing 
lists.

-------------------

Just for the record, there having been discussion, New Business will 
continue at least until there have been 3 days with nothing posted.

lojbab

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