Received: from localhost ([::1]:37545 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YfYvm-0005o3-HH; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 12:13:02 -0700 Received: from mail-la0-f50.google.com ([209.85.215.50]:35833) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.80.1) (envelope-from ) id 1YfYvg-0005na-Fg for llg-members@lojban.org; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 12:13:00 -0700 Received: by labbd9 with SMTP id bd9so38303449lab.2 for ; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 12:12:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=aOl9aj9yTZ0FHxN1ajNL11hMP+Tn9IlxQHQzuCI0210=; b=s5iMN+EawGPWmKMCchcRjcr+0nehx8s54X+4Jb4/P4ctlKGLiIWLFuQYUlAFT7hnwM 0cBrtDm+qhPt3pcVlLcbTqczET6rEchRwufmYr5GsddRrZxh4Pr2t6gLsrGAyq2FIeF3 piytlOtfbuz0bBFeb5qf/UCcHNEe30Yr3BOKGcbvGrVQlwlhQSX7/HXjpKkzk5ZWe8mR 5O/+OgFpQ7vuXHiZ1IPLZhbr/eKLu6B1kdNzA19IzOto3SLh/vpjJlTzesj41LyMpPTy ZKGRnZrW+1QU2MWmRsVy50FIRHULMszXPzZ56N9r4MdFTqXXG2ukoV1fD74r+lMzYVjm MW1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.152.21.136 with SMTP id v8mr19805499lae.64.1428433968853; Tue, 07 Apr 2015 12:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.121.2 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Apr 2015 12:12:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 00:12:48 +0500 Message-ID: From: Ali Sajid Imami To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] Detailed Proposal of a Project Manager X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============7681922579062739231==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============7681922579062739231== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e0158b7184c797205132733a4 --089e0158b7184c797205132733a4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nothing beyond that we haven't decided if we are making the post. Come to think of it, that is stupid. I'll attach her resume now.=E2=80=8B Urooj Janjua Resume 2.docx =E2=80=8B Regards, Ali Sajid Imami CTO Khabaristan Times On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Craig Daniel wrote: > You have a candidate in mind. Is there a reason you haven't disclosed who > it is? > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:46 PM Ali Sajid Imami > wrote: > >> I honestly do not have an empirical basis for this, but the 25 hours I >> suggested was based on the current and projected social media activity, = and >> the volume of chat in #lojban. I think 25 hours is probably the ceiling. >> >> Also, I had the US minimum wage in mind more than PK minimum wage. The >> reasoning being the massive conversion gap: 1 USD is approximately 100 P= KR. >> So a US minimum wage ish thing, between $8 to $10 an hour. We need a >> project manager, not a sweatshop worker. This would arguably be expensiv= e >> but we can honestly check the efficacy and see if it's worth it. Just as= a >> comparison, a laborer who has a job here makes more than $12.50. Somewha= t >> around $15. >> >> I think we can do a discussion about the hour estimation, and sign this >> person on for a 3 month trial. If they work out, we sign them on for 9 m= ore >> months. And from that point on, we get the contract annually. >> >> Also, to answer your question, And, yes. The person is very quick in >> picking up languages and would learn it in a matter of weeks if the >> conversation keeps happening around her. As in, she doesn't know lojban = yet >> but is aware of the principles and is learning it slowly. >> >> >> >> Regards, >> Ali Sajid Imami >> CTO >> Khabaristan Times >> >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 10:13 PM, And Rosta wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:05 PM, Ali Sajid Imami < >>> ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I already have a candidate in mind, someone I implicitly trust and hav= e >>>> worked with in similar situations. The willingness will be a huge plus= , >>>> although not necessarily a requirement. >>>> >>> >>> Do you mean that your candidate would be willing to work in Lojban when >>> their interlocutors prefer it? That's a big bonus. >>> >>> >>> >>>> >>>> I'd calculate the position to be about 25 hours a week. With about 100 >>>> hours a month should be fair. I think we can pay them off LLGs current >>>> account, as a contractor. I know LLG can't have an employee but I thin= k we >>>> are allowed contractors. Something slightly above minimum wage for a p= erson >>>> in Pakistan would be more than enough for this position. >>>> >>> >>> Is there really so much work of the sort you described, 1200 hours per >>> year? I'd have guesstimated 200--400 hours per year, but with very litt= le >>> empirical basis for that. >>> >>> My googling suggests that the full-time PK minimum wage is $110 (USD) >>> per month. On first-world-ish assumptions of a 37 hour week and a month= of >>> paid holiday, that's 147 hours per month. So the cost of 1200 hrs per y= ear >>> would be c $75 per month ($900 a year), and the cost of 200--400 hrs pe= r >>> year would be c $12.50--$25 per month ($150--$300 a year). Do those sum= s >>> match what you had in mind? >>> >>> If so, what about, say, a trial, initially for a year, for $12.50 a >>> month for an average of 16.7 hours a month? Make any necessary adjustme= nts >>> so that the rate of pay is not arseholey or unconscionably exploitative= . If >>> it's a roaring success and the funds are available, then it could be >>> increased. >>> >>> --And. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Llg-members mailing list >>> Llg-members@lojban.org >>> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Llg-members mailing list >> Llg-members@lojban.org >> http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members >> > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > > --089e0158b7184c797205132733a4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Nothing beyond that we haven't decided if we are ma= king the post. Come to think of it, that is stupid. I'll attach her res= ume now.=E2=80=8B
= =C2=A0Urooj Janjua Resume 2.docx
=E2=80=8B



Regards,
Ali Sajid Imami
CTO

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:24 PM, Craig Danie= l <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:
You have a candidate in mind. Is there a rea= son you haven't disclosed who it is?

On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 1:46 P= M Ali Sajid Imami <ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com> wrote:
I honestly do not have an empirical basis= for this, but the 25 hours I suggested was based on the current and projec= ted social media activity, and the volume of chat in #lojban. I think 25 ho= urs is probably the ceiling.

Also, I had the US minimum wage in mind= more than PK minimum wage. The reasoning being the massive conversion gap:= 1 USD is approximately 100 PKR. So a US minimum wage ish thing, between $8= to $10 an hour. We need a project manager, not a sweatshop worker. This wo= uld arguably be expensive but we can honestly check the efficacy and see if= it's worth it. Just as a comparison, a laborer who has a job here make= s more than $12.50. Somewhat around $15.

I think we can do a discuss= ion about the hour estimation, and sign this person on for a 3 month trial.= If they work out, we sign them on for 9 more months. And from that point o= n, we get the contract annually.

Also, to answer your question, And,= yes. The person is very quick in picking up languages and would learn it i= n a matter of weeks if the conversation keeps happening around her. As in, = she doesn't know lojban yet but is aware of the principles and is learn= ing it slowly.



Regards,
Ali Sajid Imami
CTO=

On Tue, Apr= 7, 2015 at 10:13 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrot= e:


On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 4:05 = PM, Ali Sajid Imami <ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com> wrot= e:
I already have a candidate in mind, someon= e I implicitly trust and have worked with in similar situations. The willin= gness will be a huge plus, although not necessarily a requirement.

Do you mean that your candid= ate would be willing to work in Lojban when their interlocutors prefer it? = That's a big bonus.

=C2=A0

I'd calculate the position to be about 25 hours = a week. With about 100 hours a month should be fair. I think we can pay the= m off LLGs current account, as a contractor. I know LLG can't have an e= mployee but I think we are allowed contractors. Something slightly above mi= nimum wage for a person in Pakistan would be more than enough for this posi= tion.=C2=A0

Is there rea= lly so much work of the sort you described, 1200 hours per year? I'd ha= ve guesstimated 200--400 hours per year, but with very little empirical bas= is for that.

My googling suggests that the full-ti= me PK minimum wage is $110 (USD) per month. On first-world-ish assumptions = of a 37 hour week and a month of paid holiday, that's 147 hours per mon= th. So the cost of 1200 hrs per year would be c $75 per month ($900 a year)= , and the cost of 200--400 hrs per year would be c $12.50--$25 per month ($= 150--$300 a year). Do those sums match what you had in mind?=C2=A0

If so, what about, say, a trial, initially for a year, for= $12.50 a month for an average of 16.7 hours a month? Make any necessary ad= justments so that the rate of pay is not arseholey or unconscionably exploi= tative. If it's a roaring success and the funds are available, then it = could be increased.

= --And.

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