Received: from localhost ([::1]:34374 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtQrV-0008Lq-QS; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 17:58:14 -0800 Received: from mail-io0-f178.google.com ([209.85.223.178]:35744) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtQrQ-0008LV-GZ for llg-members@lojban.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 17:58:12 -0800 Received: by iofz202 with SMTP id z202so5439920iof.2 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 17:58:02 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=5sLY3ylTM9cULp3c12/2cmzp2h+Bx8tBs2gy3ockIp4=; b=FOe533JG169PX/mCdsuV4pqMHg8LIaa3dCkKn9mk48Pnh2Vkp/V5ajOc7lcLWhJNAI c+as2nG2ANoZ+GGX+Vyxaobkx0IKg3wjBUH5MW2zeQBaqnr3o6edAZAm5sxi6e5P4DSh z1vbJvF0LYFzExXMIY/RsBxfTySCkBymIGoT9KjU8EyIQ01fM8/Oyt+pewzqYej1g/PZ No8WrNVdv1UOPxjzGlt/Bzv+rTQBIHQnZVS9a9k4C5Fd9m/v5TZdF2brEblHoQI9yqnd 7JIfUfx/ZTTn9z6JVbYv51arzcxx45A+t725SzuZrARCcIvgNQ7ZCDhO1KPAAba0nrWc 29/Q== X-Received: by 10.107.6.145 with SMTP id f17mr26550414ioi.113.1446515882496; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 17:58:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.111.85 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:57:43 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <5637BA8A.1030301@lojban.org> References: <5637BA8A.1030301@lojban.org> From: guskant Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:57:43 +0000 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam_score: -0.1 X-Spam_score_int: 0 X-Spam_bar: / Subject: Re: [Llg-members] November 1. A meeting in IRC freenode chat #lojban. Log X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============0674788372991560644==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============0674788372991560644== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ce2a056a22e05239939ec --001a113ce2a056a22e05239939ec Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-11-02 19:33 GMT+00:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG < lojbab@lojban.org>: > On 11/2/2015 8:20 AM, John Cowan wrote: > >> Gleki Arxokuna scripsit: >> >> la lojbab added "We do need to settle the copyright issue before we assume >>> any sort of official responsibility for any medium...I want Cowan to >>> opine >>> on the copyright matter, since he was the other person besides myself to >>> create the current policy." >>> >> >> As I've said before, I would have used a Creative Commons license if >> they had existed then, and I think we should use one for all our stuff >> now: CC-BY (requires attribution only) or at most CC-BY-SA (requires >> attribution, forbids distribution of derivative works under any other >> license). I would favor simple CC-BY, as CC-BY-SA prevent people from >> incorporating just part of a work into your own (but too much to be >> called fair use) and selling it to a publisher. For us, all publicity >> is good publicity. >> > > That is the other side of the copyright problem, and we should adopt such > a policy as you state, clarifying which stuff it applies to (which does not > include writings and translations by people using the language). > > But right now, the problem is that people are putting things up on the LLG > owned pages which are translations of copyrighted works. And there are > several such works now up there, such as Berenstein Bears children's > stories, and the much discussed Little Prince translation. There are also > musical works in copyright that have been translated and are up on the > music page. I don't know if any of the videos on YouTube have translations > of copyrighted material. So far as I know, none of these people have > sought permissions. > > My cover songs that were published on Youtube are legal: The copyright of "Summertime", the original piece of {crisa ditcu}, has been expired (though I have already made it private for some reasons); {ro roi za'u re'u ji'a} is legal according to the comprehensive usage license agreement between YouTube and the Japanese Society for Rights of Authors, Composers and Publishers ( http://youtubejpblog.blogspot.jp/2008/10/jasrac-youtube.html ). As long as you publish videos on YouTube, you can legally use many music pieces according to the similar agreement between YouTube and the copyright holders. As for the copyrights of your videos, YouTube explicitly allows only two alternatives, CC-BY or The standard YouTube license. Vimeo offers many more options of copyright. mi'e la guskant --001a113ce2a056a22e05239939ec Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-11-02 19:33 GMT+00:00 Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG= <lojbab@lojban.org>:
On 11/2/2015 8:20 = AM, John Cowan wrote:
Gleki Arxokuna scripsit:

la lojbab added "We do need to settle the copyright issue before we as= sume
any sort of official responsibility for any medium...I want Cowan to opine<= br> on the copyright matter, since he was the other person besides myself to create the current policy."

 As I've said before, I would have used a Creative Commons license if they had existed then, and I think we should use one for all our stuff
now: CC-BY (requires attribution only) or at most CC-BY-SA (requires
attribution, forbids distribution of derivative works under any other
license).=C2=A0 I would favor simple CC-BY, as CC-BY-SA prevent people from=
incorporating just part of a work into your own (but too much to be
called fair use) and selling it to a publisher.=C2=A0 For us, all publicity=
is good publicity.

That is the other side of the copyright problem, and we should adopt such a= policy as you state, clarifying which stuff it applies to (which does not = include writings and translations by people using the language).

But right now, the problem is that people are putting things up on the LLG = owned pages which are translations of copyrighted works.=C2=A0 And there ar= e several such works now up there, such as Berenstein Bears children's = stories, and the much discussed Little Prince translation.=C2=A0 There are = also musical works in copyright that have been translated and are up on the= music page.=C2=A0 I don't know if any of the videos on YouTube have tr= anslations of copyrighted material.=C2=A0 So far as I know, none of these p= eople have sought permissions.


My cover songs that were published on = Youtube are legal: The copyright of "Summertime", the original pi= ece of {crisa ditcu}, has been expired (though I have already made it priva= te for some reasons); {ro roi za'u re'u ji'a} is legal accordin= g to the comprehensive usage license agreement between YouTube and the Japa= nese Society for Rights of Authors, Composers and Publishers ( http://youtube= jpblog.blogspot.jp/2008/10/jasrac-youtube.html ).=C2=A0

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As long as you publish videos on YouTube, you can legally use man= y music pieces according to the similar agreement between YouTube and the c= opyright holders.=C2=A0
=C2=A0
As for the copyrights of= your videos, YouTube explicitly allows only two alternatives, CC-BY or The= standard YouTube license. Vimeo offers many more options of copyright.

mi'e la guskant

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