Received: from localhost ([::1]:34543 helo=stodi.digitalkingdom.org) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1a9pwP-0000Bh-Hz; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:59:05 -0800 Received: from mail-wm0-f50.google.com ([74.125.82.50]:34388) by stodi.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLSv1.2:AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.85) (envelope-from ) id 1a9pwK-0000BV-EQ for llg-members@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:59:04 -0800 Received: by mail-wm0-f50.google.com with SMTP id l126so54510933wml.1 for ; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:59:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=lCI4p09Mz0sJE6kGtnRczg0haGNw+y0FYZQSwp/6tAI=; b=LX72U0SMDlydQbzKTaEFDBc0rDnqQ1XsIhMmAJlpLNLvuEPJNv2xBkjcWXrbZCFukI NGTyhckzBYJ1cAjKefD7FNlrjxPi05Ddpg8IAVHyxedlbtz3Hdv2JZ1UJAfkmqUHObMb zzucxTh6M0P6q1DI0AIUAKR1lEAQyjhQXn3zvx002rRtlRk86+gi5/C7PCpxUd6jc1Dx RANB3FZvuPL9do5svuZXW4M+eTKWS7YuRdzwafp/CF2yOWtsICy1agtC8DvhJSD6Z8Wq D3EPdSlCAIHRYKx9SMF4iLJBv478CEBkIjQ2TrsevqfBf6lqQnI+tCoEpZHc0oD9mnJp MzCQ== X-Received: by 10.194.75.202 with SMTP id e10mr2632278wjw.160.1450425533851; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:58:53 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.194.74.105 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:58:14 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4792257.kehd9opElC@caracal> References: <563CBDA4.5080308@selpahi.de> <5671E710.2020407@lojban.org> <4792257.kehd9opElC@caracal> From: Gleki Arxokuna Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:58:14 +0300 Message-ID: To: llg-members@lojban.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_bar: -- Subject: Re: [Llg-members] 2015 Annual Meeting X-BeenThere: llg-members@lojban.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.20 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: llg-members@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="===============5600156770833968625==" Errors-To: llg-members-bounces@lojban.org --===============5600156770833968625== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb049c0b7eef30527278217 --047d7bb049c0b7eef30527278217 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 2015-12-18 8:21 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat : > On Thursday, December 17, 2015 10:20:55 Gleki Arxokuna wrote: > > Instead of that I can suggest > > 1. Stop financially supporting useless Logfest meetings. > > What would make Logfest meetings more useful? Should we have them at > Philcon > or Penguicon again, or should we bring together Lojbanists from other > continents? > 1. Teach others fluent Lojban or reach fluency ourselves. 2. Discuss new methods of learning Lojban. Take any course like Ogden's "Enghlish through pictures" and rework it for Lojban. The whole book, the volume for the first time. Take Pimsleur's Mandarin Chinse copurse transript and adapt it to Lojban (Lojban for English speakers). Here you'll fewer things to adapt. 3. Extend Lojban e.g. in the direction of "Lojban as a speakable logic", "Lojban and Quine", "Quine's pretty little girls' school and whether nixli ckule is really a correct solution" '"Lojban as a programming language" "Lojban as a machine interlingua", "machine translation of English Wikipedia into Lojban" via Apertium (in fact Apertium is already installed on robin's la vrici server). It doesn't matter for me much who will come, but it does matter what these people will produce, whether physical things like mw.lojban.org articles, templates of "Lojban through pictures" or immaterial things like new insights into paedagogical or scientific research in Lojban stored in brains of Logfesters (but in the latter case it won't take too long to copy them from brains into paper). So for now I agree that Logfest are useless and the free work dont on github by a few Lojbanists to prepare CLL 2.0 has already exceeded in usefullness Logfest from the last 10 years. > > I mean a two-way communication. E.g. not just reading logs of the mailing > > list of the chat but asking questions and providing answers. > > For this I suggest forcing every LLG member to participate in voice or > real > > time chats on a regular basis like e.g. once every two months for at > least > > an hour or so. But only if the members are able to communicate in pure > > Lojban (for others the requirement is simply not to be applied) > > I need practice speaking and listening to Lojban, but I have problems with > multiperson voice chats. If we're sitting around a table (and even then I > have > trouble knowing when to start speaking), I can hear where the voice is > coming > from and see who's speaking. I can't in Skype (if everyone had his camera > on, > it would overload the bandwidth). > > Also I lack some vocabulary in Lojban for what I'd like to talk about, > which > could be my work or what I did that day. Is it okay to discuss in English > or > French what the word is for something in Lojban, and then discuss > something in > Lojban? > In voice chats? Absolutely. And two-person voice chats are also possible. Also on desktop Skype shows who is speaking. Same for Mumble. > Pierre > -- > Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. > > > _______________________________________________ > Llg-members mailing list > Llg-members@lojban.org > http://mail.lojban.org/mailman/listinfo/llg-members > --047d7bb049c0b7eef30527278217 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


2015-12-18 8:21 GMT+03:00 Pierre Abbat <phma@leaf.dragonflybs= d.org>:
On= Thursday, December 17, 2015 10:20:55 Gleki Arxokuna wrote:
> Instead of that I can suggest
> 1. Stop financially supporting useless Logfest meetings.

What would make Logfest meetings more useful? Should we have them at= Philcon
or Penguicon again, or should we bring together Lojbanists from other
continents?

1. Teach others fluent Lojb= an or reach fluency ourselves.
2. Discuss new methods of learning= Lojban. Take any course like Ogden's "Enghlish through pictures&q= uot; and rework it for Lojban. The whole book, the volume for the first tim= e. Take Pimsleur's Mandarin Chinse copurse transript and adapt it to Lo= jban (Lojban for English speakers). Here you'll fewer things to adapt.<= /div>
3. Extend Lojban e.g. in the direction of=C2=A0
"L= ojban as a speakable logic",
"Lojban and Quine", &= quot;Quine's pretty little girls' school and whether nixli ckule is= really a correct solution"
'"Lojban as a programmi= ng language"
"Lojban as a machine interlingua",
"machine translation of English Wikipedia into Lojban" vi= a Apertium (in fact Apertium is already installed on robin's la vrici s= erver).

It doesn't matter for me much who will= come, but it does matter what these people will produce, whether physical = things like mw.lojban.org articles, te= mplates of "Lojban through pictures" or immaterial things like ne= w insights into paedagogical or scientific research in Lojban stored in bra= ins of Logfesters (but in the latter case it won't take too long to cop= y them from brains into paper).

So for now I agree= that Logfest are useless and the free work dont on github by a few Lojbani= sts to prepare CLL 2.0 has already exceeded in usefullness Logfest from the= last 10 years.


> I mean a two-way communication. E.g. not just reading logs of the mail= ing
> list of the chat but asking questions and providing answers.
> For this I suggest forcing every LLG member to participate in voice or= real
> time chats on a regular basis like e.g. once every two months for at l= east
> an hour or so. But only if the members are able to communicate in pure=
> Lojban (for others the requirement is simply not to be applied)

I need practice speaking and listening to Lojban, but I have problem= s with
multiperson voice chats. If we're sitting around a table (and even then= I have
trouble knowing when to start speaking), I can hear where the voice is comi= ng
from and see who's speaking. I can't in Skype (if everyone had his = camera on,
it would overload the bandwidth).

Also I lack some vocabulary in Lojban for what I'd like to talk about, = which
could be my work or what I did that day. Is it okay to discuss in English o= r
French what the word is for something in Lojban, and then discuss something= in
Lojban?

In voice chats? Absolutely. And= two-person voice chats are also possible.
Also on desktop Skype = shows who is speaking.
Same for Mumble.

=

Pierre
--
Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar.


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