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Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:23:07 +0300
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Subject: [Llg-members] A story of "Search %s" string in Vivaldi browser
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When I was translating Vivaldi browser interface to Lojban I aimed at the
full translation of 100% of strings, which ended in Lojban being added to
Vivaldi beta version while Esperanto and Ido got removed due to incomplete
translations.

However, I faced one string that I couldn't unambiguously translate. The
string is
"Search" and the browser uses that to form a placeholder in the browser
search inputbox to form "Search Google", "Search Bing" and similar.

And what I found is that Lojban presents no solutions.
1. I used {sisku sepi'o la'oi} => {sisku sepi'o la'oi Google}. The
experimental cmavo {la'oi} quotes one word that must not contain spaces of
pauses inside. Hence, its immediate drawback. Users can add a search engine
leading to {sisku sepi'o la'oi Lojban MediaWiki} where "MediaWiki" hangs in
space.
2. Neither {la'o zoi.XXX.zoi} method is fine. A search engine named ".zoi"
leads to {la'o zoi..zoi.zoi} quoting an empty string and the last ".zoi"
hangs in space. The browser is not able to change "zoi" separators on the
fly.
3. However, the solution in English is unambiguous. It's a user interface
widget, kinda {lu ... li'u} quoted text.

widget (inputbox) boundaries are analogous to this {lu ... li'u}.

This text can't refer to anything outside it, it's a thing in itself but
this thing can be parsed and used by external mechanisms.

"Search Lojban MediaWiki" means that after "Search " we have an arbitrary
plain text in an unknown language until End Of Feed is reached.

I imagine Lojban community could extend {la} to be able to catch non-Lojban
text until the end of file/feed is reached.

But in the current conditions I see it as a drawback of the language.

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; {sisku sepi&#39;o la&#39;oi Google}. The experimental cmavo {la&#39;oi} q=
uotes one word that must not contain spaces of pauses inside. Hence, its im=
mediate drawback. Users can add a search engine leading to {sisku sepi&#39;=
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ty string and the last &quot;.zoi&quot; hangs in space. The browser is not =
able to change &quot;zoi&quot; separators on the fly.</div><div>3. However,=
 the solution in English is unambiguous. It&#39;s a user interface widget, =
kinda {lu ... li&#39;u} quoted text.=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>widget =
(inputbox) boundaries are analogous to this {lu ... li&#39;u}.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>This text can&#39;t refer to anything outside it, it&#39;s a t=
hing in itself but this thing can be parsed and used by external mechanisms=
.</div><div><br></div><div>&quot;Search Lojban MediaWiki&quot; means that a=
fter &quot;Search &quot; we have an arbitrary plain text in an unknown lang=
uage until End Of Feed is reached.</div><div><br></div><div>I imagine Lojba=
n community could extend {la} to be able to catch non-Lojban text until the=
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onditions I see it as a drawback of the language.</div></div>

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